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We were watching Kay. You play last year and as a bookie was at the foul line and and they Hey, he was being a bit of a contortionist because he was trying to get his elbow under the ball. Well, I'm not sure if you're familiar with as a bookie, but as a bookie is a wide body and J Bills made to comment that we until he gets his elbow into the ball, he will be missing. Left right long. You know, Hell, he always not be a very good free throw shooter, and that's preposterous.

Actually, the thing I see is the worst instruction You, Khun, give kids adversely is get your elbow nutball, and the reason for that is we have what's called a bucket carrying angle of the elbow. Which, or just carrying angle of the elbow, which, if you are carrying a bucket, it keeps the bucket from banging into your legs because angle. Sure, if you're carrying a bucket and angles your hand outward a little bit.

Well, if you flip your arm around. That same angle applies for the most natural shot on free throws were applied. Two free throws, the the angle for men is on average is like thirteen point two degrees For women, it's like sixteen point two degrees plus or minus three three degrees. Which means when you shoot, the most natural position for the elbow would be you are the most and natural position of the forearm would be angled inward at roughly, depending on your you know, it varies from person to person, but roughly a fifteen degree angle inward.

Does that make sense? Yeah, that makes sense. And you mentioned that a lot in your book, because traditional basketball, um, approach has to do with alignment, posture and modelling after this perfect form, whereas your book is basically all about, ah, controlling the center of the force at the centre. The basketball I'm sorry. Ah, in relation the scent of the basket in applying the correct force as it leaves your fingers and that's all matters so you could be falling over.

And if you if you follow that principle and apply the correct amount of force on the center, the ball that's in the basket will go in or it'll go straight, you know, correct. The what? What I've done with my book straight shooter is is I brought science into the mix, and I think it's It's a point in time where I think people will be receptive to that because basketball in the last few years has evolved to where they're statisticians.

And they're looking at three. You know, the value of the three point shot, and we have more three point shots going up in all this. So, ah, this point in time, I think people would be quite receptive to actually having something a little more scientific than than the aspect of body mechanics are shot mechanics, so to speak, because that has been taught that originated with George Lehman. The beef analogy.

Balance beef balance stand. Be for balance. AII for eyes on the room, Eve for elbow, under the ball and F for follow through to the basket. And what layman back in the seventies when he played and he was going around doing this doing clinics in the nineteen eighties. What what he was and the now. The analogy he used to shooting a basketball was throwing a dart. And if you watched chapping Championship dart throwers do is what they angle their body, they get their elbow directly under their wrist, and they released the dark be obviously between your thumb and forefinger.

And what Lehman advocating was shooting the bum ball off the thumb middle finger? Yeah, middle finger and index finger. So the throwing in dark methodology is that that came about before the three point shot and the three point shot. Throwing a dart is similar to what would be someone to be somewhere throwing a jab in boxing. OK, that's what you meant, but yeah, it's not. It's not as powerful as you know, just coming across with a right cross or something like that.

Where you bring your hand did middle. You're about body. So the three point line change things to wear on. We need actually in a little bit more power. Little bit. Plus, we need accuracy from long distance. And there's actually what I. What I bring out in the book is there's actually two ways to send the ball straight. One is well, I, ah, Lehman advocated you, Khun. Throw it like a dart and keep your elbow into the ball.

Just straight straight. Follow through straight, everything straight, and the other is the centre line principle. And senator line principle is what baseball players advocate. You know, it's what they utilize football quarterbacks when they throw a football. And it's it's all a matter of controlling the center of the ball in relationship to your target at the moment of release. And if you do that, the ball's going straight.

And it does not matter if your hand is coming across the body coming across your body, as you do that it's the moment of release, which is the most important factor. And shooting a basketball, right? So you mentioned in NBA players, and you mentioned the first three fingers approach and remain me. Think of Michael Jordan. Have you ever seen this? I own off is a commercial or an instructional video where he says, I issue with threes.

Thes three fingers and holds up is, you know, thumb index and middle finger. And and he's like, If I feel the shot go off these two fingers, which is the last, The fourth and the fifth Finger feels like a bad shot. Why? I don't even know how it's possible we'll shoot with just these three fingers. But if you had Michael Jordan's joy, enormous hands it probably maybe he's shooting with his middle are his index finger.

But I guess my whole question is, is there anyone in the MBA that has a shot that you see now that, like, defies physics like you? You look at it and you say, I don't even know how this thing goes and it doesn't make any sense, but it works to him. No, it works. And the beauty of the beauty of the center line technique or the concept is the fact that all method there's there's fifteen, twenty, twenty different ways you can shoot about basketball and have a go have go straight.

Um, what bringing science into it does is it makes sense of all those different methods because every shot that you see in the game is going to fall into one of two categories. It's either a straight line shot where the hand is going straight toward the basket and the follow through straight toward the basket. Or it is you utilizing the center line principle of the applying force through the exact center of the ball in relationship to the exact center of the basket.

At the moment of release and If you watch little kids that are out shooting at a at a high basket, say an eight year old. They get down and they bend their knees and they heaved the ball up there and it's almost like throwing a shot in track and their arm comes across their body and they can sometimes make it. And when they do, what they're utilizing is a center line approach. And then we try and go on, scram up by saying, Point your shoulder here and get your elbow under the ball and we teach them the straight line method when they are, when it's not necessary to do so, you can have great success.

The center line concept dominates everything and shots in a game at the pro level. When you see people moving laterally to the Basque. Diana Taurasi is is excellent at the She can move sideways to the basket and still make the shot while she's moving sideways to the basket. And she's hit game winners doing that. Ah, and the reason she does is she is nailing center line at the moment of release do you watch the MBA and WNBA regularly?

Yes. Can do. You, um are you constantly like looking for new information or just like observing people as their techniques, manifests and just cataloging people like what activity goes on in your head as you watch. Ah, I watch a basketball game, and the first thing that stands out is how people are shooting the ball. When I watch teams warmup, I'm watching how they shoot the ball, you know how, how their ball was coming off there, their fingertips and that That is what I I'm most interested in and and that's what I intend to indicator to watch.

Who in the MBA do you think shoots most like you? Curry is really good. Durant. Probably better Durant utilize the center line approach more so than Curry does. Curry Curry is both centerline ants and straight There's times at his fingers are actually not in the exact centre, and yet he's still making shots, and that's due to the straight line method. Durant. Utilize the center line method virtually all the time, and you can tell.

So I don't have the like when I see Curry, it's hard for me to catalog a shot as being one or the other. Um, but it's just It always looks miraculous when it goes in when he's fallen over it. So I just assume it's to some insane hand eye coordination with the center, the ball in the center of the basket. But, um, when you say street, like, like, Is it possible? I guess what I'm trying to ask for people tohave both, um, there's overlap, like people can peace, you know, in line with a basket, um, and have their shoulder tucked in and everything is pointed straight.

But they also apply force in the center of the basketball. Correct? Right. So it's they they overlap of the right. Correct. You can have both. So they're like the times where you're talking about curry he There's times when it looks like he's not playing force to the center of all, but somehow goes and still correct. It's just, ah, the analogy that best fits is the game of pool. If if you are hitting the Cuba ll there's times when you can hit the cue ball in the exact center, of course, all the time and send it exactly in the direction that you want to go.

However, there's also times that you can go offset of center a little bit without the mall squirting the one side of the other. Right. OK, I see what you mean. And I now that years in that book or that using that term here, squirting I get what it means from the book. Um, so let's talk. Can we talk a little about your performance? Is here as the word that was used earlier. Um, do you have any rituals or teens before you attempt a record?

No. No routine whatsoever. I like to warm up. Right. So you want to feel warm? That's about Yeah, I want, You know, I'm sixty one years old now and for me to just walk out in the gym and and immediately starting firing up shots. I might pull something so the big. The big thing for me is to get my wrist loosened up more than anything because that I noticed I I have trouble with if if I have any injury whatsoever, it's normally to the risks either left or right, and that's generally speaking because I I don't do is adequate a warm up, but I need to.

One cannot be warmed up enough. Probably even That's what Kobe said during Ah before game, or he was given some advice and they're like, How do you shoot? How do you do? How do you do that? This or that? And he's like, Just worry about warming up and that hurting yourself, you'll be okay. More or less. I found out that it's easy for me to get Ah, what to say, overly tired. I can't I can't. You know, when I when I first started setting records, it was pretty hard for me to wear myself out.

And I first started reckoned setting records at the age of fifty two. Now, nine years later, it's it's It's possible for me to wear myself out. When did you set the hour long record? That wass in twenty fourteen? I believe that was the second time or that you'd done it before. But it wasn't a record breaker. Twenty eleven? No, it was twenty twelve when it either way, You look, I That's true. Look afterwards, but, um, when you did that Ah, like, could you do that, will you?

Will you attempt that record again? No. And well, are you still like I say no More than likely? No. Wasn't likely now. Oh, and and the reason for that is the it's It's like training for a marathon. No, it was It was a matter of building up, building up, building up and the amount of time that it took to get to that point where you're physically able to stand there for an hour and throw up shot after shot.

It's like running a marathon. You know, it's not something that I could walk out to do, and I run a marathon. I understand the training process for that, and it's a matter of building up over a period of months to where you're able to go out and run twenty six miles and shooting a ball for an hour is no different. And I'm not sure that I want invest the amount of time that it takes to do that. Are you currently pursuing any particular record?

Yes, there's a couple that I would like to get there's one for consecutive alternating hands. It's currently thirty, and I would like to break that one. I'm not sure who hold. Ah, but, yeah, I noticed that it's up and there is a number of them that I have already have that I would like to raise most in a minute. It is currently fifty two. My best is fifty eight and I have a personal goal. I think it would be possible to hit sixty in a minute, and I think that be kind of cool.

The thirty thirty in, Ah, thirty three in a minute and thirty seconds. I need to raise that one before get told where I can't. Well, if you could do thirty three and thirty seconds, you can definitely do sixty over sixty in a minute. Like that's not too much longer, but I'm sure it feels like a lot when you're there. It's the fatigue factor is huge. The fatigue factor. When you start throwing up that many shots in a short amount of time in thirty seconds.

You Khun, you Khun, Pretty much breakthrough, That fatigue factor In a minute. It comes into play and it starts affecting starts affecting a shot. Um, do you train for several records at once? No, not anymore. When John Branch from The New York Times came here in twenty eleven, I said six six records in one hour, and he was here to record it in that article made front page of The New York Times. Since that time, If there's a record, I might try time.

I trained for two and attempt to, but I'm not as young as I used to be. Well, I mean, you started this thing pretty late. It's remarkable. All the records you have set already. So and when you do something like the most when you attempt the most free throws in a minute, how many times, like obviously have to have your crew there and everyone's inline feeding balls DEA with that machine or with that device?

How many times will you attempt that on any given day, day or on the day that you decide to try? Okay, the like In May, we we paired up with Jeff Lyles, and we set the record for most in a minute with buy a pair with two bowls and we made thirty three in a minute and then following that, I attempted the most in two minutes while alternating hands, which I had that record at eighty eight and and that scenario going for two minutes, I knew it was a one time shot.

It's not like you, Khun. It's not like I'm at a point in life where I can recoup from AA all out effort for two minutes, even taken ten minute break or whatever. So in in that instance, it's it's Ah, it's a one time shot and I was fortunate enough to make one hundred and two minutes alternating hands, which I was pleased with that. That's a good day, right? Do you ever think you'll go for the most in a row or anything like that?

I have played around with that idea, and at times there have been periods in time where I've I've shot extremely accurate, and it almost gets me thinking that I could start training for that. But I have. I have not. I wonder how the training, how would you approach that? Obviously, you would have to go. Ah, it's not. It's the opposite of going for the most in an hour or something like that. Probably correct.

You would. You would want to slow down and take your time and make every shot. As Dr Tom Amber, he said, who made the two thousand seven or fifty in a row? His His whole thing was he had a six second, six second routine that he ran through for each and every shot, and that almost became a Zen like experience for him. It was his mantra, he said, and he would. He would get in the zone and he would just go through that ritual every six seconds and concentrate and talk himself through it and keep his mind occupied and focused.

His whole thing was focus and concentration, focus and concentration, and he was the best in the world. Yeah, I'd say so. That's it's pretty unbelievable. I don't even know Ah, well. At the age of at the age of seventy one, he made two thousand seven hundred fifty free throws in a row. Right? And I'm sixty one. Hey, you got some time to work on? Yeah, Yeah, but But the flip side of that is he started seven o'Clock in the morning and at seven.

O'Clock that night, we said they came and told him we have league games scheduled. You got We're going. You're going to have to leave. He never did MS right, But the whole thing is, he shot for twelve hours. He took a break. He took a five minute break every hour. But standing there shooting for twelve hours is just incomprehensible to me. Because three hours in the gym, I'm ready to go home. No, Yep. S o. I was watching that eighties labor training video with Red.

You know which one I'm talking about? Yes. And Larry says he puts his fingers in the grooves as often as possible, which seems very hard to do on the fly. Ah, but I think he was able to manage do that quite often. And obviously, there's some times where you have zero time in a game situation to do that. But, um and I was reading about Dr Tom in your book. Hi. Puts the middle finger on the boy or hole in the Psalm in the groove.

And ah, I found that personally helpful for getting a feel for what it feels like the balance on the center. Because if you're middle fingers on the air hole, it's gotta be in the center. The ball more or less. But of course, Dr Tom wasn't necessarily going for speed records. So are there any sort of micro adjustments that you make in regards to rotating the ball before you sure shoot under any circumstance, No.

And I realized, you know, Larry Bird mentions that in the video. But if you watch him and in game situations, he got the shot off pretty quick. He had to. We had the fortune. Good fortune. Ah, Teo. Visit with Scott Wedemen, who lives down in Kansas City, and Scott Wittman was the his claim to fame was the eleven for eleven performance and on the mascot Massacre Day game, where the Celtics played the Lakers in nineteen eighty five and he went eleven for eleven.

And Scott is like seven six seven, and he made the comment. He said it was amazing how many times and he said I had a pretty quick shot. He said, Maybe not as quick as Curry, but I have a pretty quick shot. And he said It was amazing how many times right when he was releasing the ball or a split second after he was releasing the ball, somebody would hit his hand. In other words, the defensive pressure was just right there.

Each, You know, so much more than what you would normally think. So with Larry Bird saying he likes to get his fingers in the group, Yeah, there's times during game when you're wide open and you have time to do that. Otherwise, it's just that ball hits your hits, your hand, and it's a matter of getting that shot up as quick as possible, and that's what I do. I like that ball to hit my hand, and wherever the ball is positioned is where I shoot from.

Cool. Do you have an all time favorite basketball player? I would have to think on that. I have several I love what courage. And I like Duran. Obviously, Clay Thompson is awesome. I mean, we have some really, really good shooters, right? Right in this this time I loved to watch as ah as, ah, teenager. I love to watch Connie Hawkins. He was awesome. And he had such huge hands. He could take the ball And I can recall, recall one hand time, and particularly he was driving, driving toward the basket.

He took the ball and he held it out, arm's length, out of bounds, and the defender went went for it. He just pulled it back and dunked it, right. Dr. John and Michael Jordan. So yeah, it was awesome. And, you know, as a teenager that really impressing, you know, I mean, it was it was it was lost on the stuff he could do round. And I guess I guess, uh, the teenage years and influenced me a lot. But there's been so many good, good basketball players.

You know, Elgin Baylor was just really, really good. It just making all kinds of unorthodox shots around the basket. And he was the one who really utilized this concept I talked about in my book Centerline concept to to its fullest extent. I believe no, Bill Sharman and Influence May. I never watched him play. He was before my time. But I read his book when I was a soft in high school and he was influence Oh!

Yeah, there was Julius Erving, obviously was fun to watch. So even though that you've been on Lee only been setting records since for about ten years or so, you've been obsessed with basketball in one sense or another for a very long time. I mean, you said you're reading a basketball book when you were in high school, right? Correct. So what? A charming on in basketball shooting by Bill Sharman was the book.

And how were you back then? In those years, Did you have a specialty or were you pretty good overall? Ah, you know, it was We consolidate. We had three schools come together and when I went to Central Ia's High School and I went for a million grade school and I made it a goal, coming at a great school, and I wanted to be a I wanted to start on my freshman team, and I knew that was going to be difficult because there was three schools coming together, and I knew the other people in the class.

They were more athletic than I was. So that summer I went out on the on our dirt court. Now where Dad had put up a telephone pole on a goalpost. You are not a goal post, but, yeah, goal and practised. And I actually charted and kept track of how many hours I practice and I would practise from two to four hours a day. And lo and behold, when basketball scene came around, I did not make the starting five.

But I was the first guy or the second guy off the bench, and it was It was somewhat disappointing because, ah, as soon as that we started practice that season, the coach came over to me and he says, You bring the ball back too far in your head. He said, Bring it up, bring it up closer two to your forehead in your shot. Yeah, unless you bring it back past your head like Larry Bird sorts out. At that point in time, that's what he was saying was bring the ball back too far over my head, bring it.

And I remember thinking, I spent the entire summer practicing these shots. You know, I was pretty good with it, But I also was smart enough to know that if I didn't change it my playing time, right? Probably not gonna be real hot, right? So I changed it. And then the following summer, I I I ran across a charming on basketball shooting and library where I was working and I took it home and studied it all summer.

And that remade my shot. It helped me. It really did. And as ah, you know, as a senior I I averaged eleven points a game Khaled would show is not that great because we had played in smaller gyms and what they have now, but Oh, really? I didn't have that. Oh, yeah, it was. You get it from one in the other pretty quick. And the gyms that I play in, Well, that's so respectable for high school score scoring average, because, I mean, it's not to get into the embassy, that the scoring averages go through the roof.

Basically, because they play for so long for one. And there's as much defense probably, um, in relation to how much there is offense. If I had to guess, what do you think about the way? Ah, the the colleges and the professional basketball room are headed today. Is it still entertaining? Let me back to set by saying, Well, to me, it is to me it is. I like the rule changes they made a couple years back because it allows more of a skill set.

If you think back to the nineties, when the New York next were just beaten up on everybody, it was such a It was such a physical game that I thought it took the beauty out of it. And now by by making them keep their hands off. Ah, and you allow your offensive player. There's more freedom, too, to move and actually utilize her athleticism. And I think that's a good thing. I think it's I think it's more like ballet, you know?

Ah, if you watch if you watch ballet, it's no fun If if they're getting shelved, are shoved around and they can't can't utilize their full potential. It's like that's basically what hockey is. I guess it's Bali with Z with a no rules Yeah, it is fun. I think watching Steph Curry and Kyrie Irving or some of the there's some of the craziest players in terms of the ballerina or whatever. It sounds silly to compare it to the, I guess in a way, but but in terms of their movement and then their ability to go for, like, the perfect shot, no matter what position they're in our seemingly I guess, um, I'm glad you mentioned Irving because he is excellent.

Yeah, he's Yeah, there's a number of them. I always go around saying it that Irving is like the greatest baseball player of all time, and people disagree with me, but, ah, I think he's probably won most entertaining, for sure, at least so. Can you tell me about some tools that you've used or have invented to help you train? And how exactly did they help? I've come up with a number of props that I utilized to to teach the concepts that clinics and such a ce faras tools that I've invented to to help me personally.

The contraption that I have downstairs without built right into the rafters where I'm throwing the ball through a round twelve inch PVC pipe. Um, that that helped a lot because you can get in a lot of repetition in short order and also the rack out of the return rack that I use. You know, I took a I watched Jeff Lyles d'oh do a record attempt and he utilized a PBC rack and and I built one that would bring the ball back to me after I made it.

Trick is, you have to make it for it to come back to you as Charles through it comes back to you. If it bounces off, you go chase the ball. But it has certainly helped and made practice time more efficient because the balls right there, you can get a large number of shots in a short amount of time. I try to think about that A lot of the place where I met and I have? No. I was going to say this earlier, but the the only reason why I started looking up your name and stuff is because I ah, before I worked, there's a basketball court outside, and it's just, you know, the grounds a little uneven.

And and if you if the ball hits the room on one side, it goes over this hill and into this warehouse, you know, sort of thing. And there's four close, and so there's a lot of incentive not to have that happen. But that Ball Stones were going when I'm shooting a lot anyways. But anyways, I shot fifty four free throws in a row once, and I thought that has to be close to some kind of record. And so I started looking of all these free throw records, and that's how I found you.

But, um, it's really hard when all you have is one net in one ball to get to Robson, and I was thinking about your approach and how it allows. You get a lot of reps. And even if it's not like completely traditional, Ah, it's not a real basketball shot. Fringe. For what? Like the contracting out downstairs. It may actually focus and help you develop certain things that a riel, um, shot would not like to do faster.

Possibly probably. Um, but like, I was imagining this facility where you just stand still and it's kind of an arcade game and the basket moves and ah, and somehow their computers and cameras that, like, analyzed everything you're doing. But I guess what I'm getting at is when you you've had so many breakthroughs over the years, how is it possible to improve when you're by yourself observing yourself?

Do you? Do you feel why you know why every shot one wrong? Or that why you may have my fundamental flaw and your approach? Or how does that evolve? Um, how do you get feedback to yourself? Ah, I watch where the ball goes. You watch where the ball goes. You know, I watch. You know, the the whole thing is I understand. I understand. And you asked a question. Do I honor? Well, what was that question? You asked that the fact that I understand where the ball goes and what happened at the moment release the problem.

The problem is that the wrist snap happens in the last point one five seconds of the shop, according TTO what Fonso Nella had in his book, The physics Basketball and during the wrist Snap, the release happens and the ball is coming off your finger tips that at during the risk. Now, what makes shooting difficult is that happened so quickly. You have to be really focused and locked in on what is happening as the ball clears your fingertips.

And most the advantage that I have is I understand what happened by watching the ball goes and if you ask, you know, you asked a question. Do when I miss a shot doing I know what I did. Yes, I do. All I have to do is watch where the ball goes and it tells me what I did it the moment release. So my and the center line concept totally changes the equation. It's not the question that you that you're asking is, How is the most efficient way to control the center of the ball as you as you shoot?

It's not Where is your elbow or or making an L or whatever? I mean, that's all for the most part. Garbage? Um, it's how is the most effective way for you? Because actually there are probably five or six different ways that you can control the centre of the ball. And that's what makes shooting difficult. Is the fact that good right shooters, intuitively Khun, do two or three different methods and make the shot Now?

Do they know what they're doing? No, they just do it on intuitive basis and the difference between them and I. His fact that I I have been working on enhancing the sensitivity in my fingertips to her. I can feel that ball come off, and a lot of a lot of players know the instant it leaves their fingertips, whether whether it was good or not. And that's all I've tried to do is is nail the center line of the ball because that's science.

And if you nail the center line of ball in relationship to senator, the basket of moment released, that ball's going straight and the story do you believe in such thing as talent and that you're talking a little bit about how a lot of people don't. They don't know what they're doing, but they do it anyways. Um, but it was having said that, What do you What does talent mean to you, if anything and wondering also because of your physics based approach?

Ah, how that factors in talent. That's a good, excellent question, and I'm not sure I have the answer for that. It's going to take somebody a lot smarter than me, you know, Obviously, we are all have. We all have different levels of natural talent. And if you want to ah, if you want to place play sports a basketball, it certainly helps to be tall. If you're football helps to be big. Come on. Notwithstanding that in other areas there are areas where it seems like some people pick up things quicker than others or they have intuitive ability to do it or my my inspiration to start practicing was Daniel Coils.

Book talent isn't, huh? The talent owed the talent. Yes, I was trying to say the subtitle first. How tight a talent talent isn't born, It's grown. Here's how. Thank you and no in that. And there was a number of books that all came out in the same in the same timeframe. It was like two thousand nine that all said the same thing. The Genius and All of Us by David Shank, Balanced by Matthew Side Talent is overrated by Jeff Cole Coleman and they all were saying that all it takes become good is knowledge practice.

In time, they had their own terminology. But if you break it down, that's what they were saying was knowledge. Practice time. You can come. Good. Well, I knew I had the knowledge, so it was a matter of just checking it out and seeing if if if I put into practice and putting enough time, would I? I want to see how good I could become, and that's when I hit the gym in September of two thousand nine, and I set the first record January tenth of twenty ten.

So I'm a bit of a late bloomer. What was that first record? Most in a minute, and it was at fifty one or something. Ah, fifty. The David Burke's from from Sweden held it with forty eight and I made fifth in a minute, which actually made the Guinness World Record book. Do you know these people that are competing with you? In a sense, And do you guys talk Or or every time you see someone else going for a record, you tense up and get all that?

What's going to happen? Ah, I I know a few, but not very many, you know, and Yeah, I don't think any of my records have really, for the most part, been challenged. I know Rick Ross, sir. Ah, he had the record two minute record was sixty eight and I went and made eighty eight and he sent me an email and he says, Well, he says, I can tell I'm going. I'm going to have to start shooting a lot faster. Hey, but Ric, Ric's excellent free throws here.

I mean, he's one of the world's best. Come on, YouTube. You can go on watching, make seventy two hours, seventy two, two minutes. You know, phenomenal. So he's got the accuracy. Just doesn't have the speed Quiet. The speed is what makes it difficult. The faster you go, the easier it is to miss. The faster you go, the easier it is to miss. There is a speed, accuracy, tradeoff, and we've got a lot of a lot of times I get caught up in the speed and I just like to see how fast I can go.

And when I do, I tend to miss a lot more. I don't know that it's this is impressive, but And how do your balls miss when you go when you're in that moment, typically typically you mean as faras. It depends on the day, you know. And it depends on what which could be left, right? Or something down. Yeah, Most time it's left, right? Um so there's a philosophy out there that we shouldn't really focus on our weaknesses, but instead just make our strength stronger in, regarding or in regard.

See your shooting technique. Can you think of any weaknesses that you've deliberately avoided in favor of working around it with your strengths? Well, what immediately comes to mind is Mei Mei endeavored to teach myself to shoot left handed because initially, I was not very good left handed. Um, in fact, I never had shot left handed. And over a period time, I taught myself to shoot left handed. And Emma is good with my left.

Is my right? No, but I'm pretty good. No, and it certainly certainly helps When you're you know, when you're going for a long period of time from to switch back and forth, it's like a sub coming off the bench, so that that's the thought that comes to mind on that one as faras avoiding any of my weaknesses. I don't know that I really done that. I've always just taken that knowledge practice time, philosophy into whatever it is and applied it.

And it And it works. Yep. And it almost reminds me of you mentioning at the the Bird game where he scores a lot with his left hand. Although, you know, I don't think he he wasn't really shooting traditional shots with his left hand. They're pretty close to the basket. Needs lingam in or something like that. But, you know, that night he went all left, um, Lefty on everybody, but yeah, that could work. And that's the answer to your fatigue problem.

Maybe. Um, but you've made records out of just that capability anyways, right? The alternating hands, for example, Jeff Harris actually had the record for alternating hands with the most in two minutes with forty four. And the first time I broke that, I think I had sixty three. And then that was one of the records I broke when John Branch, it's here. I made eighty eight two minutes, and at that point, I'm I was happy with that.

But, yeah, last May, when I made a hundred, I was really happy for that. I think that might stick there awhile. I think so. Mostly it's probable. Eso Winston Churchill said. Success consists of going from failure to failure without loss of enthusiasm. The question is, how do you deal with a failure? Poorly for Lee? Really, I take it I take it hard. No, it's it's a matter of becoming comfortable at. That's probably not the right word word to say X knowing, I guess knowing would be a better knowing that it's part of the process nobody becomes.

Nobody becomes good at anything without some setbacks. And I've had my share. You know, there. There's times. Um, there's times when I shot and I've done much Maur poorly than what I would have liked. And it's just a matter of knowing that is part of the process. If you will continually, continually attempt to do better, you're going to do better eventually. But it's all part of a process. It's like life is part of the process.

So you're pretty competitive guy, basically, and you can be with yourself. Yeah, pretty much compete with myself. You know, when I was younger, I was I was very competitive and now it's more I'm I'm just competing. I've got a picture in my mind of what I'm capable on what I want to do And I tried to attain that, and that's what do you have to remind yourself of that image on the daily basis? Like, every time you wake up, whatever time and you need to go downstairs and it's this image in your head that's driving you along or is it part of your routine?

It's easy to dio, I guess, is what I think. We develop habits and it becomes part of the routine. You know, it's like I go to the gym every day or I try to. It's And if you if you don't, then you don't. You feel like, you know, you get that sense of guilt, you know? I mean, it's just like going out and walking a mile every day or whatever people do for fitness or whatever for me that if I go the gym every day and get that in, then I know I am continue channeling the process and attempting to get better and better and better.

And so what's your day's over? What was your day job? I'm a soul conservation technician at the Natural Resource Conservation Service. You still are. I still am. I'm eligible. Retire at any point in time. Wow. That's nice toe. Thirty one years. And so, yeah. So they've been pretty gracious with letting you go out to China and whatnot. I assume they have been. Yes. Uh, for years. For years I coached, and I would take off on hour too early use annually to go coach high school basketball, and they were very accommodating with that also.

So they've been They've been good to work with in that sense. And what are your co workers? Do they give you crap about, um oh, Bob's crazy goals for being the world's best on DH, actually, are amazed that your achievements at the same time a little bit of both, I think a little bit of both. I think they're No, I think they're a little bit, you know, initially there, they were amazed that I did what I did.

Now they just It's just I'm just Bob, you're just Bob. Um, a few more here, Bob, if that's okay. These are some more general questions. And when and with those, um, what's the best thing for a human being? Wow. Ah, I think the best thing for a human being. And you know, once you get by your base necessities, it's always good to have food. But the best thing for a human being is to cultivate an attitude of gratitude.

Gratitude is the attitude which eventually brings happiness, War, something along that line. I came up with that phrase, and it just hit me that, you know, it's like most most religions. I advocate being thankful, being thankful, giving thanks. And that is a form of gratitude and gratitude. If if you will be grateful for what you have and you will generate a sense of well being cool. If you're walking down the street today and you make yourself as a twelve year old, what would you say to your twelve year old self?

You can do more than what you thought you could. You can do more than what you think. You can wait the first or the second one there. Both of them. Yeah. I would have been blessed. I have. I would never have envisioned no what I'm accomplishing. What, Ivan, What I've accomplished when I was twelve or fourteen or whatever. You know, I mean, I would have hoped to, but But they did come later. You know, I will say that it's it's been a It's been a long road and I'm a late bloomer.

Did you ever think when Because you mentioned that? Came along later and he started the age of fifty one or whatever. Fifty two for the two of you. Did you ever think like an age fifty one? Did you feel like in your heart like a I'm missing something, or I want I need to do something amazing right now, or I have since I was a kid, I always wanted to do X y Z or do something big. And I just need to figure that out finally or something like that.

It was more a fact that Connie and I made the video secrets a shooting in two thousand eight. Okay, so that was before you did any records, correct. And in it, I advocate. And that was a direct result of reading. John Fontanel is book physics basketball, which he came out within two thousand six. So I went to the gym and start experimenting. And and in two thousand eight we made the video, and we in trying to market the video.

Being a high school coach, I had no platform so speak or a very small platform and of the records came about just as a sense of what to say. I went to the gym just to find out how good I could become. Did I? When I first went to the Emme did I think I'd be setting any records? No, I did not. Did I have any aspirations Toe to break any records? When I first went to the gym, it was maybe in the back of my mind because it was put there by Dr Tom Emery and Ted St Martin, who both have records.

And they suggested that I start shooting, and I was like, well, but it was more. Ah, it was more of the fact that I was just trying to see if Daniel Coyle stuff and the talent code, you know, that knowledge, practice, time bit does this really work? And after I was going to gym for a month and Connie was going over and helping me shag balls and and whatnot, um, after a month, I started noticed some real improvement, and I started hitting a hundred free throws in a row.

And I never done that before. And after two months, it was It was like I went to the gym in one day and made two hundred forty six in a row and Mr Wanted made two hundred in a row. And then at that point time, that's when I started building the rack to get the ball back. I switched and start speeding it up and beat ocracy trade off. You know, instead of going for accuracy, I went for speed. Cool. And that's where the records started, Rival.

Right. But you mentioned you kind of alluded at the very beginning that you didn't have a platform. So, like the idea of the glamorous idea of I'm going to go be really good at shooting free throws and possibly set world records. Ah, it could be a platform. Or or could be a base of marketing yourself. Ah, in putting you in the life that you want to become, do you aspire still, too. Do you, like, work with NBA teams and all that stuff and or work with whoever?

Why, If you retired at the Soil department, our soil health department or whatever your country's soil conservation services and went on to do something crazy, that that would be ideal, right? Sure you would. You would welcome that opportunity. I would welcome that opportunity, even if it meant moving away with centrally Kansas. Yeah, that would probably be be part of the mix, I'm sure, um, the the idea has been in my mind, you know, especially when I go the gym.

Because when I go to gym, I I experiment even today with different type shots, and I'm simply amazed at there's days when I'm simply amazed at what I, at the age of sixty one can do and It has occurred to me that numerous times that I wonder how good a team could become if I were to work with him on a consistent basis, because right now it's normally a one and done. You know, I go in and give a clinic or whatever, and there was There's been a couple couple kids that I worked with him on on a Siri's of lessons and one of playing college ball.

Yeah, but to go in and work with a team on a consistent basis in that capacity as a suiting shooting coach, I think it would be I was thinking, Scuse me, I think it would be quite rewarding and interesting to see just how good they could become because it works for everybody. I mean, science, science is science, right? You know. It's just focusing their attention on lunch. Most important. And if they're willing to work at it sky's limit.

Hey, man, if you can do all those things that be insane if you get a whole team of MBA players just changing their shot or not changing, but, like making it better, making it better and B, you know what in that be funny of Golden State hired you because they don't have enough good shooters. Oh, yeah, that me and saying, I hope it happens, man. They don't need me. Okay, So, last question, Bob, If you were ruler of the world, what would you do on your first day?

Start feeding some people in Africa. And the I think the famines, the famines and the countries that are in dire straits probably need help. And if I had a capacity to help, I think I would. Have you ever been to Africa, tio Two shooting clinics yet? Know if they have any any ah, capability for that would be pretty crazy. That would be I'll be would welcome the opportunity. I mean, how even the China. So in the China, I'm sure there's some gym in Africa.

That's that's. Ah, there is quite uncovering Bob Fisher's shooting secrets. Well, we would hope so. You know, in that. And that's the thing is, when I, when I came out with with the book and and started emailing people letting people know it's done. I went back through some of the people who contacted me, and it was kind of a surprising, you know, there was coach from France and Germany and and Malaysia and Brazil.

I mean, it just kept, you know, the different different were the word goes Japan had a couple, you know? I mean, it was just who would have ever thought did It's awesome, Bob. Thanks for joining me today. Thank you, Joe. Appreciate you coming