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All right, So I normally start off this with an introduction, and ah, I normally actually have a lot of written down It was part of or I'd only have a whole sheet of questions to ask, but I thought that the nature of all of our interactions were a lot of improvisation and stuff. So I'm gonna wing this. Yeah. Okay. So I was thinking the other day about how even met Mason just for the record here, Um, and I believe it was We're outside on Lowry Mall, and I was reversing with Jeremiah.

Different mind, police clarinet. And we were just playing some stuff in rehearsing, and you came over there like checking this out or something and see what we're doing or something. Is that it? Yeah, totally. I forgot about that. I think of a different time. Really well, And then in the piano, Yeah, like a month later. Whatever. And only eventually hung out few times. And, uh, now I remember I was out on Ah, it was on Lowry maul you.

You in Jeremiah Wright? You guys were both use on the bass clarinet learning and you hazard playing music totally different, though. I've ever heard before, and I was like, well, was that it was pretty easy combination instance, it was pretty different and it is cool. And then the time I was thinking about whenever I met you was whenever huh? In the in the practice rooms and the school. I was playing music, and I had, like, been trying to teach myself music and was really coming to It was pretty hard.

And I heard somebody playing like some crazy stuff. It wasn't just classical stuff. It was like crazy fun music. And it was you playing and I went over and I was just like, I did that sometimes in the music school, just like, over and listen to people. And then you stopped, right? Whenever I came over and I was like, Dude, can I come in and like, just listen to you play. See, we're playing, right, and you just let me come in And you played some songs and rocked out is awesome.

I was listening to ah, six and eleven today. Do you know those know who's that? It's your your two tracks. So I came out here. Wow. I don't know. You might have renamed him? Yeah, I don't know. That's how it feels. A little like time to go anyways. Yeah. You've always been ah, a very nice and welcoming person and who's had lots of adventures and interesting perspective on things. So that's why I'm interviewing you, sweetie, and look for this conversation.

Mason on today. What is today? Wednesday, November sixteenth, two thousand sixteen. A week after the election, a week before Thanksgiving, about eight days before eight days after election, eight days before Thanksgiving, one day after America recycles day. American recitals. Okay, so that will be ere. Let's use as our first question because you are really interested in S o your student at Mizzou. Let's just get this out.

What's your life story of until now? How old are you? Okay from all that stuff. I am twenty years old, and I'm at Mizzou right now. Studying. Ah, business management. And ah, I am from St Louis. Let's see. You want to hear my life story, man. So I'm from St Louis. I was very indoors E and saying like I used to buy all these sports in high school and then wait endorsee in sports. Yeah, like like, I guess I golfed.

But I've wrestled in basketball and What else? I play racquetball with Mike and he was saying was what? Which high school Vianney and ah, so I went from there, came from a zoo and got, like, hooked on outdoor stuff, like join the rock climbing club. And I'd never really left the state before. I want my parents. But I never liked driven out of the state by myself or with friends. Just we I was, like, very Missouri minded person.

And then, ah, we started traveling around, went to some different places in the country, like Colorado and California and Arkansas Kentucky Place I'd never been before and kind of changed my life, Maybe loved the outdoors. And now Matt Mazu doing business school and I'm leaning towards environmental stuff. So, like renewable energies and trying to make it profitable in this part of that, you work for a solar company?

Yes. Old sun solar. Send solar and you go door to door selling for trying to sell selling solar panels. Basically, right? Yeah. Okay, So let's talk about that because I'm curious. I mean, how did how long on average would you say that he typical door to door sail lasts? So I'm I'm like I'm an outreach guy. So what I'm doing is I'm just trying to set him up with an appointment. Teo, get an estimate on their house.

So depends on the person. But sometimes it would be They will open the door and then closed the door. And the other times I'll stay and talk to people for, like, an hour. Just hang out because I, like, just get along well with people, and it's not really probably not supposed to do that, But sometimes people have cool stuff going on, and old people love to show me stuff around their house. A a. Yeah. And then sometimes I'll talk to some people we have long discussions about, like, climate change and kind of uses a even if they don't want to go solar, I just try and talk about climate change and make them realise it's a real thing.

Helped them come to the obvious Kalu conclusion that it is. Okay. So let's dissect this little bit, okay? In those interactions that don't last too long. How many seconds are we talking about here? It depends on the person. Like what's the shortest? No, the shortest of never old person. They opened just the door. And then there's, like, this glass door and then they see me. They see a young You know what? Well, dress.

Yeah, yeah, but I I like and they're like, Oh, I don't I don't want to see that. Why have I got thing? And I I'm holding like a binder, like a little sort of obvious that you don't know them. They might be expecting it. And then if it's an old person, they'll just be like, it's, like, eighty or seventy and really try and sell those people. Could Solar is one of those things that the older generation doesn't really believe in.

And they don't. Even if they did, takes about ten, fifteen years to pay off. So probably gonna No one. You die by the time that it pays off. So they I don't try and sell them. Really, But they'll open the door short, short interaction, open the door. And to shake their head. No. And then closes. And how many are you know? It's a lot for weeks. How many hours you put them? Probably fifteen hours a week. Fifteen While going to school?

Yeah. Here in just the Columbia area. Yeah, well, I just went to Boonville recently. Really? Checks. You went really well. Yeah. There's some solar installers down there. So what decided go down there. So but all you're trying to do is get your foot in the door with a company or get them just to sign up for something a little more of an estimate or try to get nasty. Yeah. Yeah. Try to get more information, and then I always I go after they have the estimate, I'll call them and ask him how it went and trying.

So what percentage of people that don't close the door in the first ten seconds? Let's say what percentage of those people? Well, at least do the sign up or sign it for you. Five percent. Five percent. So it's still pretty, maybe ten, depending on the day. But how many? How so? How many houses would you get done in a day if you work for five hours? So how many people do actually talk to today is what I go off, Because there's a lot of times you'll just don't answer the door.

So probably twenty five to thirty people. Yeah, Did you do that today? Now? Yesterday? No, Monday. I did. How is that? And where did you go in town? Um, there's a place right by my house, like a park. And there's some houses around there that scoping out on my bike and decided to go over there. So when you're scoping out, are you like profiling houses? Like saying who? These people are you Khun Tell? Yeah, They have a real dirty house.

They're not going to go solar, right? Because Because why would you say that? Actually. Because if they're not willing to upkeep their house, they're probably not going to put solar panels on it. Okay, so that's just a little the mental tricky Do toe. Save yourself the time? Yes, but I saw knock on their door. You never know, but it's really a bad side. They're spiderwebs all by the door or bad cars. So when you first started out, did you Right?

Because it costs more money. Yeah, they had to be able to afford it. Yeah. When you first start out, did you knock on all those doors to and over time that you graduate or just from the beginning? Like No, I know my intuition. So I've been I've been slowly narrowing it down, and I'll like CIA house. And if a person is like a BMW and stuff like that, that's the kind of house is that you want, like a decent car in a decent house.

Um, but we still knock on every door because there still be people randomly and, ah, a little out of the middle Booneville that have, ah, decent little house, Nothing fancy. But they'll be all excited about solar, and they never had anyone ask them about that before. And when you say we are you with the team are traveling. Yeah, I travel with the team. Well, yeah, we have other canvassers. I don't always do that.

I like to balance it because whenever I'm with the team, I feel like I could be knocking on more doors and doing better. I I I could be, like, moving quicker because you're like me, backup for the team and consolidating carpool and stuff. Ah, but it's really good moral support to have a team with you because how many nose yet Shit is it? Commission based now I'll talk about it much, but it is It is commission based and we get hourly.

So yeah, that's pretty nice of someone. Signs up for solar. And if a business does that be stellar? Trying to get some places around here to do it, like, ah, the couple breweries and we'll try to get Walt bicycles to do it. Yeah, yeah, they're Yeah, there's not a lot of they have a very exposed, you know, building now, a lot of trees around there. Anything. They could cover it up. Yeah. So And you start doing this how long ago?

Probably, like, two months ago. And then was this your first, like, door to door temp job? Oh, kind. No, no. Verily, not really know what was the first? The first one I had, like, a lawn company where we would go knock door to door and be like, Hey, looks like you need your yard cut or you want to get your house mulched and we're young kids play do art favorite pretty well. And who? Who's with you, then? I have some friends that go around with me.

Help me out What was your business? Yeah, so? And did the satisfy allowed illegal? No. Okay, that's funny. I was like, I don't know how I'm going to phrase this question. I'm just going to start talking hope that comes out right, and then you answer it within two seconds, So thank you. Really. I mean, we we actually did make more money. We should have reported on taxes. You're a bunch of gay. That's okay. Yeah, we're young.

I'll go ahead and say for the federal government. I do think that interesting, though, because my brother No, he had a business in high school, and it was you got a lot of grass and he went door to door. And so you remind me a lot of him. He had a really good work ethic and etcetera etcetera, but in his major's business and, you know, he wants I assume you want to own your own business someday. Maybe. Yeah.

And what kind of business you think that's going to be? I'm open. I thought I was trying to decide that, but I have a lot to learn still. So I'm trying to, like, learn from other businesses and just talk to people and figure out what business I want to get into. But renewable energies or biodegradable materials like cups, plastic cups that we use it like that. Ah, fast food place. And we could make those biodegradable that we really cool.

Or, you know, just I'm Look, I have my eyes open for things like that. And what goes what you like about the idea of owning your own business? No. What attracts you attracts you to the idea? I guess. Um, like now, first of all you're not no fear of, like, no one else has control of what your destiny is. So let's talk about that. Um I mean, why is that important to you, for example? I mean, I'm curious so that I don't like working for someone where I don't know if I'm, like, gonna have a job the next year.

So have you been in situations like that before, or you just kind of like, No, I kind of have most jobs that I had been burned, I guess is what I'm trying to say. Or have you had a lot of our I've never had a time where I really needed money, which is nice, but I would never want to work for a company where it's like fear of them collapsing. And like me losing my job. I'd rather, if the company collapses, is my fault.

And I have to figure out something else. Okay, So let me ask you some background about your family. You in appearance. They are all from St Louis. Yeah, well know, my dad's from Indiana demolished in Illinois. Okay, but Dad from a little town in Indiana and wired why they live in St Louis because St Louis is like people. Kind of my great. That way. From Indiana and Illinois, there's got jobs. Are they? Go to college in St Louis?

Or jobs? Just jobs? Yeah. And siblings. You have siblings, Have an older sister. And how old is she? Twenty two. So two years old. And you in your raised Catholic, right? No. You went to private Catholic? Yeah. Yeah, I remember. Yeah. Something sort of. Yeah, I know, but I Yeah, I was raised more Catholic than most. But I'm not Catholic. You're not Catholic? No. Would your mom be upset by that? Say, no. My grandma. No Grandma.

Your mom's mom or your dad's. Mom? Mom's. Mom. It's always the Mona's mom, is it? I think so. Is that the same with you? I don't know. They're all pass away anyway, because all my folks are old. Like, How old is your grandma? My grandma is the last grand parent and she's eighty. So she's pretty. Only two. Eighty five or something? Yeah, Yeah, that's interesting. It's funny because you talked to some people like my grandma.

This my grandma, That. And how is your grandma? Then there's like fifty two or something like that. I'm like what I think about the math. Kind of like, well, why she she had my mom and you in eighteen, eighteen, and my mom had me when she was sixteen. So they okay, It makes sense, I guess. Let's count. Interesting. Because, like men, it's just a whole generation would be very different in my grandma's that young, right?

Strange, so And used to say broad last semester, Just mess straight from never worry to July and news. Yeah, How is that? That was fantastic, man. That was Ah, I didn't know what to expect. And that was good going into it. Um, what was it? Worst thing. No, I know you're really positive guys, so I want to ask you a challenging question by asking about Yeah, I know. We kind of touched on this. I can't remember how much I told you about it, but this I did this Ah, ten day backpacking trip that they call it tramping over there.

And, uh, that was That was pretty. It was It was probably the best in the worst. You know, I love experiences where it's like goes everything wrong and you learned you had like learning how to get out of it. It's one of those kind of things. They have. They're gonna ask when everything went, Yeah, what were but what was the worst case scenario in the in the moment, We're the most difficult moment. The most difficult mo is the worst case scenario at that moment.

Okay, so I was two and a half days and the hiking on this island, which, like New Zealand, is that they want to call themselves an island, but they have little islands around in this island. I was going to do a ten day backpacking thing, and I was about two and a half days into it. And as with my friend cat as and we were about two and a half days, how many climbers were in the woods along way? We're deep in the woods and off the beaten path pretty far out there, and they ah, there is, like, sometimes, like, bridges and stuff out there like that.

You you couldn't cross places without him. And I was walking through this like muddy spot near the bridge and stepped on a nail and then went through my phone through my boot into my foot. And I was all it was raining that day, and we were very deep in the woods, and I was freaking out a little bit and I try to take my boot off and it was not coming off very easy, so that was pretty bad. You should have wait.

Wait til I was done eating. So that was But the nail was stuck in your foot. Yeah, well, then I get the yank off my boot. He had to help a little bit, and it came out. Have you had a tetanus shot? I did, and I wasn't sure if I had or not, but it turns out I did. So it was good. But members out there, I had no idea. So had a little book, actually have a little first aid book. I got over there like outdoor first aid.

And luckily, they had a tetanus section, like, All right, cool. I'll flip through this and see, like, if I have tetanus or not, was freaking out a little bit and I flipped through it, and it's about three or four sentences. You're screwed. Basically saying that things could go really wrong if you have tetanus. Not at all about. Like how? Like it just basically hyped up the fear for me. But I decided to keep going because it didn't hurt that bad yet.

So figured you'd be okay. It was a pretty bad point, and I also I got really wet that day. I thought you were alone at some point. Yeah, actually went alone. But with this guy, I went alone. When was some girls, and then separated because they were doing, like, a little hike. And I decided to do the ten day like, let's go for it, you know, like, go through, go through some craziness. I didn't bring enough food either.

That's another problem. And that was that. After the day I stepped on the nail, I stay at the hut from, like, my third night out there and I was not. I was a little worried about how much food I had because I was burned and I was hiking for eight hours every day. And we're the big pack on your back and your probably burning at least a thousand calories, maybe two thousand calories hiking all day and on top of on top of the normal two thousand, don't you?

Yeah. Yeah, on top of it. Three or four thousand total or some? Yeah, something some I don't know exactly. But ah, a lot of calories. And I didn't have even like, fifteen hundred towers of food for each day. Problem like a thousand calories of food per day was a little worried. Seem about turning around and ah ran into a group of hunters. I think I told you that they had killed some deer, and they fed us aton of deer back steaks and chocolate cake and fish.

It was awesome. And they refilled my bag with food because they were leaving the next day on a helicopter, which is It's kind of crazy, but, uh, yeah, it was really cool. And my body cats, who I was talking about whenever I stepped on the nail. I think I don't know if I told you this, but he is vegetarian and washing vegan so he couldn't eat any of the meat or the fish or the chocolate cake. Is that? Excellent.

Yeah. So what? He hell stuff? Yeah, they have. No, he had food too. He had food in his bag, so he had, like, trail mix. Because I know this one guy who eats nothing with peanuts. That's all leads. He tried, Soylent, you know, silent. No, never to Soylent, I've heard. So Oy soylent is a It's like a the drink. It's actually comes from a book, which I'm not very sure about or I don't know. I haven't read the book.

For example, it's a science fiction book in which everyone won't drink Soylent and it's like a nutritional. Well, it's like all your food needs in on one drink or someone on, and then they find out the very end of the book or something that it's made from humans from other humans. It's soil in green or something like that. But anyways, some guy recently in the last decade or or what happened with the project, all the product named Soylent and and I think he meant it to mean like, oh, soy and lentils, you know, and it sze exact same thing.

It's like a meal replacement. Yeah, and get supposed to replace, like eighty five percent of your wow food. Anyways, he tried that for a while, which is like, you know already if you go Teo, if you go to drink that that does eighty five percent of your food. That's your taking all the variety of food out, you know, going down to this bland, mano colored drink. So I would do that. But he then he was like, No, no, no.

I'll just This is This is probably too much variety for me. I just need peanuts or something. So he's just a peanuts? Well, he appears before that, but I just think it's kind of funny. How is that really what he needs now, though, You know, everything. Apparently get protein on, you know, and maybe eat something every once in a while, like, different or something. Someone for the nuts. Like, you know what?

Yeah, but apparently, you know, maybe I heard that the only thing you could do that with is breast milk. That's the only thing that you can have, like, survive solely off. Probably probably. I mean, you probably eats things McDonald's or something on the road. I don't know. But anyways, But isn't the first time that you've taken risks? Yeah. I mean, you're a risk taker in general, and you always do with a laugh, a smile on your face.

Like, huh? In a very it's exciting. Yeah, but where you risk taker when you're fourteen? No, not at all. No, no. You're safe. Was fair. Yeah. Was safe. In fifteen. You're safe. Yeah. Sixteen. Safe until I came to college and doing safe until you climb. Really gotten rock climbing. But all you do in the rock climbing is go to the rec center and like, no, really, Odo. I thinking of them. I go outside, I go outside more.

But that's what you train on the train on. Like, Yeah, yeah, but I don't really do that anymore. I just try and go outside. Never. I'm going to go climbing, but yeah, I guess that's it open my door to be in risky because they get to your heart. Heart going. But Ah, and was your mom who remembers you as a safe good good boy hates that. She hates it. Yeah. Did you tell her about your new Zealand trip experience hiking experience?

No. No. Kind of left that one out because she wasn't like, Enjoy it. You know, it just stressed her out more, right? I'll pick out the story's like about meeting beautiful woman from abroad. You like? Like that grandbabies? Yeah, exactly. Is your mom pretty conservative and safe? She worries a lot. Yes, she worries a lot, but like that's most moms yeah, whenever it comes to their son, she used an obvious Used to be crazy.

She used to be crazy. Not crazy before you're born Well, yeah, she was. She still is a little bit crazy. Like outgoing in the party party, are you partier? And I know you don't party No at all. No, you don't want supports. I don't watch sports and I don't know party. But you do rock climb and you do risk your life for the sake of outdoor enjoyment, Yes. And go door to door sales. Cool. Um, so But are you when you knew recently you were studying fisheries and wildlife?

Yeah. And you recently switched to me recently within the last year? Yeah. Switch to a business and you want more. So your spot, you know, doing your own thing or whatever? Yeah. And you like all all that changed s so what? What do you do? You like your first year out of college so far? What's your plan? I'm hoping actually, tow work for a company. This is This is like, I guess, Ah, mission. Impossible kind of stuff, but not really.

I want to say that exactly, but I want to work for a company that isn't environmentally friendly and work there for, like for five years and then start coming out that I'm an environmentalist and start trying to get policies pushed and companies he's like, um, GM, like General Mills are different kind of companies that companies have been coming through here, that at Mizzou, that there's a lot of potential that they hire a lot of students, but they don't hire.

There's no environmental. They don't hire people for environmental stuff because that's all done in, like, environmental engineering. Yeah, that's typically in engineering sort of thing. You know, I'm more looking to, like, make the process of Mitt getting the product, making the products and selling the products environmentally friendly and keep unprofitable. Great. And I don't want to go right into ah company like I love solar panel cos I love renewable energy companies put myself around those kind of people.

But what I want to do is go into something and kind of go undercover for a bit and get their trust. Make them think that I want I want profit. Or at least help him believe that. Because I think there's a stereotype against environmentalists that we don't. We can't help them make money. It's not possible. Right? And if you say if you say you're for the environment that is, like, think that you're not goingto help make money, right, you're only going to take their profit away.

Yeah. So I want to go and help make money. And so are you interested in in law are not law, but, um, you said policy is that important to you? Policy. Like government policy on stuff. Yeah, it's really important to me, but I don't want to know what other countries you know, You've traveled orbit around the world. Yeah. Huh. Are there other countries that that do that you like, or is this something that you look into?

A lot is what the country's air doing that other countries cos air been profitable while being or whatever, you know. Yeah, there's, um I'm I've looked a lot into the energy usage of other countries and how they are progressing forward in terms of using renewable energies and trying to get off dirty energy. And there's a lot of countries in Europe, don't you? You went to Germany. I know. So, you know, you probably have you heard about what Germany's doing for energy?

The subsidized, actually, as faras solar panels are from what I understand. I mean, I couldn't if someone told me about the German policy while I was there, I would not have been able to understand the details because because of my limits settling judgment from what I gathered, the government subsidizes building of solar panels and and encourages people that way financially to do so and you makes it somewhat easy to sell power back to the grid or whatever.

Yeah, And it all works out. No, I, uh, green. It's still six while the payoff works there Subs? Yeah, they're subsidies that that's good. The way I like to view it, As some people think they say, Well, if you need to, like, hold up, solar, As soon as you take your hand away, it's going to fall or sooner if you have to hold up their own alternative. That's the thing someone says, Joker. They're joking or whatever, but they're like, Yeah, sustainable, whatever.

You have to sustain it. Yeah, well, it's like I said, misconception, though, um, it has not sustained. So, yeah, I I agree. Yeah. What? What? I, uh what I've heard. And have you heard about the carbon tax now? Okay, so instead of like, let me give you this basic scenario. Okay. So, solar panels, let's say you're at a solar panel factory and you have to make all these solar panels, and you have some. I guess you would say waste leftover, like, junk material stuff that you can't use.

There's, like, glass breaks or frames. Whatever. Do you have to throw that stuff away? It's not good anymore. You throw it away. Um, you'd pay for a trash trash service to come pick it up. Right? And it's obvious, like, obviously, if you know, if you're gonna throw it away, you can't. This Harriet Harriet Foote, If you work for coal factory, you you and said the coal is like your product that you're throwing away, but instead of throwing it away into like a junk yard.

You're throwing it away. There's a lot of pollutants being led out into the air, and you have to pay any money to do that. You just throw it away and you have no pick up. And there's a lot more that they're throwing away than a solar panel company. There's going away a lot of stuff. If you tried, if you saw how much pollution that they're actually putting out, then it would be fair to say that they should pay for throwing that away into the atmosphere.

So what? They try what they're thinking about doing. And Obama's tried. Tio talked about it before. There's a carbon tax where if you're producing this much carbon, then you need to pay because you're throwing carbon in the atmosphere, right? And probably that doesn't go too far, because a huge majority of of people on the other side, yeah, you no think it's erroneous that pollutants even cause destruction to the scale that the rest of the world seems to agree.

I mean, right is modern science. I don't know. It's interesting. There's such a division in that, you know, there is a division, but among scientists, right, and they say things otherwise, but and I don't know much about any of that. Yeah, it's just not. It's not my thing to know. What is your thought on climate change or you know where I got it? Do you think it's a thing? You know, I think it's important.

And I don't think there's any harm in trying to be clean. For example, like there's no harm in that. Ah, like it's a good idea, even if even if, even if, someone said, global warming isn't as bad as people say it is even. But it's still thing. But it wasn't as bad like, you know, keeping your mission's lower, whatever. That's all good stuff, anyway, like it's there's no harm in doing that. Yeah, except on Lee.

Maybe your bottom line, but, you know, and you know, there's a lot to be said for, for example, if a company can't sustain that bottom line, then you know it's the It's a make or break it. It means that coming won't be around anymore. Um, so maybe it is important. You know, the bottom line is important for their survival of the company, but but, you know, it's just interesting, but what I will, what was I going to say?

Yeah, it seems So do I? People are always saying, like global warming is important or global warming doesn't even exist. You know, like there's not a ton of middle ground. I feel like when it's being discussed, Yeah, on or when you know, relatives or whatever talk about it, it's either it's either like the most serious problem we have facing us today, or it's like total bullshit. Yeah, it's like we're going to be one or the other or how can it be both?

Like, you know, like when people look at problem. Or if we looked at problem, Say, we looked at if we looked at the same problem. For example, like a chair has two missing back legs and it follows down or whatever it's uneven like, we would probably generally tend to agree on a lot of the things that what's wrong with the chair and what needs to be done. You know, we have a general idea, but we wouldn't.

Well, it wouldn't be the case where one of us feels that. Um Oh, well, here's exactly what's wrong with the chair. And then the other person says that shares not even broken again, broken at all. What, you crazy? You know, like like you generally agree that there's a problem and generally agree that here's something that you could do to fix it. But people are, you know, like, there's absolutely no problem.

And then there's other people, The other everyone else is theirs the way, The way I kind of deserved. What if it's a chair factory? And then they're like, all of your chairs are coming out wrong. So you gotta replace all your machinery? Well, yeah. Then they're like, No, no, no, no, no, no. Right. Jnl. They'll say anything they can write, then. So, like, no, there's nothing wrong with those years. Keep rolling like, you know, we're not going bankrupt today.

Um, what I've said to people this, like my argument for old people. This, like is funny. It's kind of funny, but this is You mean are you talking about being a door? Bursts open the door to door, OK? What I want whenever I give up on science solar panels, but I just start talking about climate change. The way I way, that I tell people is okay. So I asked him, like, what did you do? And just recently, this lady said, like, Oh, I'm retired My What'd you do before that?

And she's like, I was a secretary. I was Okay, cool. So what did you know really well around your office? You know, did you know your boss pretty well, Do you know his schedule? And she's like, Yeah, of course. I mean, I was at this office for thirty years and at the same boss, like I knew him really well. And I was like, Okay, so you know, your office pretty well. So what if somebody who came came in and they were part of a different company and they had different products and they came in your office, and they're going to get hired to, like, help out things around the office.

And they came up to you, and they're like, they ask you, who is your boss available today? And you said No, he's available on Tuesday. And they said No, and I know better than you. I know you worked here for thirty years, but you're wrong, like I know I know the bosses scheduled more than you and like they really didn't. They've never studied the boss's schedule, never had looked at it. She's right. She is problem than my opinion.

I would trust her working in the office for thirty years versus somebody who'd never had. And when we look at the scientific community, that's kind of what's happening. Businessmen are saying they're coming to Scientists have been studying it for thirty years and saying, No, that's that's not right and they're like putting their own two cents. And when they have no idea really about it, right, that's the way.

But in the end, they're the actually, the ones that make the decision make decision on what gets done or how things are are going to evolve from here or in the next couple of years. You know, until not the majority of the house swings the other way, or whatever it is that power changes. Well, that's interesting. I mean, here's a question about going door door. How do you when you're talking to people like that situation?

Are you trying to have a conversation with someone? Um, how far do you push it? Um, like do you know when someone's trying to, like, get out of my door? Yeah, I want to go back inside now They can read by language pretty well. And you? Yeah, but I'll push it pretty fall. How do you know when you can read body language? Well, that's why I want No, because sometimes I'm like, Oh, I don't know, Everybody was well And then everyone saw something happened.

Like, I have no clue what I'm doing or someone. Yeah, I just gotta roll with it. Believe thatyou could everybody link so believe that you can Yeah, but I know I've learned about body language. I get part of the No on this experience or before, before and just like I take classes on it. Really? Yeah. Here. Yeah. You're taking a class. You've taken more matters like communication classes and manage their glasses.

And they talk about body language, so you don't know. Do you know about body language before that? I mean, yeah, but, you know, you don't think about a lot of things that they talk about in this class is until you take it. So, like how we're in high school. Were you good at body language in high school was all right. I mean, I always out got outgoing. Were you ever an awkward kid? Yeah. Really awkward. I just like Yeah, that's pretty.

Why? Yeah, I don't know. I don't I don't know how you define awkward, actually, but I was awkward. I know. I like really goofy things. I'd like to just do so Your interests made you awkward? Well, your interest in me, a sense of humor is different than other people's How? Like I was very goofy, like just I was decided months of his goofy. Why? You're goofy people. Awkward wolf. Good people are on the awkward If good people aren't around other goofy before.

Yeah. Are you still goofy? Yeah. I wasn't meaning big. Goofy. I keep digging deeper because I'm trying just like the laugh uncontrollably and make funny faces and think of of funny things that are not the mains mainstream like And I'm not interested in talking about what everyone else and I won't like tell jokes that have been heard before. I like to do new jokes and I don't know their new crazy things is good.

So is goofiness like, Imagine you're this is kind of imagine that you're watching comedian or something. And the comedian is going through a story that this story is going to punish line or there's going to be a funny thing. Everyone's going to laugh, you know, it's a paragraph that last thirty seconds or whatever. And then, like he says, one of two sentences in ten seconds and someone starts laughing uncontrollably.

Is that what goofy isn't away like? Like? But it's not necessarily that that happens or that that's that would be defined as to give you a person, but but only in the sense that that everyone else is. It's kind of on this trail to following something when something is like, Oh, okay, I get it now It's funny, but that happens. It's like a premature laughter or something. I don't know. No, I know what you mean.

Like so everyone good. You're off in your own little path, your own little world of maybe that's what it means. Like you enjoyed the path, you know, different. There's some people that are like they go. I always said Make your own path and he's in a live by feel like there's a main trail. This is This is good. I just I just saw this like, there's main trail that, like most people walk on its good to walk on.

And then there's some people that deviate, guv, you people are like going off of it, and they're not. And everyone's like, Was that I do, and he's that's strange. Like we're gonna keep her on a train. But then but then, Ah, a goofy person doesn't I don't know. I don't have all goofy people do this, but there's, um you can these, like, look back and, like, think about what's going on on that other trail and that kind of try and deviate back towards it and dig through right both through some terrain and try and get back on the trail.

Or you could just keep going on this different path. So will you marry a goofy person someday? Yeah, like a requirement is a requirement. Yeah, because they will understand you. Yeah, they just need to I don't know how. Just never ask. Then ask that what is goofy? I don't control. We laugh a lot, too. Yeah, that's another thing, right? Don't you ever do that. Yeah, sometimes it's following as much as you. It's really fun.

You should try it. You know, I have this friend that were a lot of, like, outrageous, outrageous clothing, but just like very colorful clothing or something. And, uh and you know, she's just like off on our own world, basically in which is a good thing, You know, I think I think it's a special thing, you know, it's whatever ifit's good. And I that's everyone had an opinion that, but it's certainly different.

Special in a way. But you know it anyways. But I guess it's kind of like off putting or it may be, is because people, maybe there's it. Like when you do understand why someone's laughing, Why someone has something funny, like, Ugh, they're different from you and their distance from me. It's like they're speaking a different language and it's like It's harder to connect with someone when they're just like on a totally different page from you.

Maybe, Yeah, obviously. I mean, you connect well with people, uh, and but but you know what everyone, Never. I mean, you know, howto techniques to connect with people, and you know, you can tone down the goofiness or you can. You can kind of be who you want to be for a moment to connect with someone or whatever, but but maybe that's what goofiness is, or it's like an ill. It's alienating in a way, like, um, but in a pleasant way.

Maybe in the end, I, like, I like to be goofy to around people who don't have goofiness aura around them. Norman life, like like, see someone that you haven't seen for a while and then just get, like, really, really sighted on not just really excited, like do something strange a little bit, you know, like I see a girl haven't seen awhile on campus. Sounds like a hunger and might pick her up and runner like fifteen, twenty feet, Which is like, weird like, Makes your weird.

I'm weird. You're awkward. You were more awkward. You're weird. Goofy. Yeah. Which is cool, though. I don't like wanted. Not that that's a thing. Yeah, there's two types of weird. Or there's two types of Yeah, there's two types that were, you know, when a girl says, Oh, that guy's weird, you know, it's like they may say, Hold that guy's so weird, you know, hell, they'll say with a smile or something. And then but then they'll say, like the exact same sentence, but with a different pace.

A different facial turn. Elyse. That guy's weird, you know, like it it means two totally different things, you know, like, because there's a good kind of way there's a bad communication. So like that's like one thing that we learned other classes. It's all about your tone of voice and your facial expressions, like ten percent of the message that you send is to your words, right? Everything else is through your body language and your facial expressions in your tone of voice.

Like what you say doesn't really matter, right? I mean, matters, but doesn't matter much. Doesn't matter very much. Right. And that was helpful for you. That communications class, for instance. Yeah, and that's not be taught somewhat. I mean, some if you don't like, apply it. I've applied. Do you ever feel like you have? Do you ever feel like like f that class? Like I don't want to change who I am. All right. Well, who I am.

This is a special quality. It's not something that a communications professor's going to tell me. That you won't have much success with this. Yeah, whatever. You know, Like, do you ever have that inclination that, like you know, Well, I'm like I'm in the business school now, and they try and tell you how to talk to recruiters, and I don't like that. You mean people trying to recruit, You know that. Yeah.

Yeah, like, like recruiters, as in, like, businesses come through. Okay. And I'm like, in a business fraternity now. So we have, like, these things where they turn a fraternity. Yeah, you're living. Okay, so it's not house now that we meet once a week, and but they're like, trying to tell you how to talk, to talk to the recruiters, and there's some good advice, but, ah, this like they have I kind of like a system of what you're supposed to do and talk about your experience.

And, you know, I read this thing once and, um, Alan office, someway, Confucius or whatever. Um, what manners put manners, which is essentially what that are a lot of these rules are what? Whatever. But they put pools at a distance. It helps if you fall the right. For example, you may be a fool, but you can. You can go interact with president of states and have a twenty second interaction that is civil decent.

In that book, global block or whatever in that that is, that's not going to cause attention or just, you know, you had a twenty second interaction with the president. What would you do? I don't do V or not God, no. But see what I mean? Like, Ah, you. If you follow the rules, if you're fool, but you follow the rules, you'll distance yourself from the fool that you are, for example, or something like that.

I thought, actually is a different thing. That how you sing it I was seeing it is like the society makes up these manners that you have to follow, like the upper class, that's upper class. But the followers on the main path, I'll follow it. And then there's a fool who doesn't know all these tips and trades, and it makes him makes him more and more of a fool and draws him away, even though he's not a fool, huh?

Okay. Literal distance. Yeah, that's interesting. May not literal distance, but I guess maybe Well, it'll mean literally on our excluded. Yeah, Yeah, I'll know. I'm still thinking about that one anyways. But say the court again, Mainers keep or put whatever fools at distance again. Yeah, I came. That close is close. Now is something like that? Um, yeah, because the last thing the last thing you want to be is foolish.

When you're meeting the president, for example, or something like that, you don't do something foolish. And so you follow the rules. You have whatever. But anyways, a lot of businesses like that or something. It's keeping your foolish sight down. But then again, maybe it's not. You know, maybe if you're a little eccentric or a little bit awkward or will the goofy you know you, Khun, you lies at your van, Just tow, make a better impression Are more unique impression on people I don't really know, but yeah, there's like a hard balance between being unique in that weird.

We're not high level. Yeah, What? They what they say, though, And I agree with this. Companies will hire you not based on your experience. They're gonna hire you if you're gonna be a good fit in at the company. Right? Like with people social. Is that what they say? Oh, okay. Yeah. Like they don't care what your experience. I mean, they do. But the most important thing is like, are you Can you get along well with me?

To those interesting. Yeah, I guess it's easier to look at experience, though, because it's like, Oh, that's all quantifiable. You can fill one page or whatever, or is it still illegal to just hire based on personality fit? Yeah, which I don't like. Interesting. Because like they now, it's like you have a higher based on race and based on like, if you get interviewed now, they don't really go off the They have, like, ten questions, and they don't ask you anything outside of those.

You mean there. There's like a standard ten questions. Never every business but every business has their own standard. Ten. Okay, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, the whole world is interesting. Now, suffice to say yeah, um the diversity and inclusion. And it's a good thing. Yeah, it's is a good thing, you know, but everything has services into services. Uh, so, um, let's see, What else can we talk about? So a lot of the other things you do it with music?

Yeah. Do you still do stuff with music? Not as much. You know, I love it, but it's not, like, towards my goals in life. Is there something that like a year ago, you're doing more music things? Yeah, yeah, yeah. In the past year, like, I've more than I would probably say like times tend my music school skills. Right? Okay. But But lately, Lady, in the past month or two mothers started this job. Yeah. Yeah, since I started the job.

But Ah, yeah, I love music. Still, I play every once in a while. I need you to do much music stuff in New Zealand. Yeah. Do you when you're hiking, you didn't bring Vargas harmonica. Okay, that's what I think is where you tell me that was really fun. Trying to think of like Mason on the woods carrying a guitar, too, so we can meet random out ladies and impress them. In a boat, but it's like, but ultimately it's like there's more.

We think I added to your backpack that danger your foot. We'll go even farther down on the No, No. Yeah. No. All because the guitar. I love music, though. It's Yeah, it's one of favorite things. Uh, I went to that classical music thing this weekend, right? What? You texted me. It was Peter Miyamoto and Cool. This is another one of faculty vocalist. How was that? Why'd you go? Maybe that's Yeah. Let's talk about Why did you go?

It was shocking. I asked a girl on a date and yeah, was that successful? It wasn't. If it's all right. I asked you. Just meet me there. I asked her. I just I didn't want to do a cell phone thing like that's what I'm looking for in a girl. I just want like, a girl like bike. Three pm Saturday. I talk to you for a while. Like, I think I'll be there, actually. And then she just write The music was Oh, wait. Hang on.

You two leave twenty years in? Yeah, it was fall asleep. Oh, it was like that guy. Yeah. So our wedding is so quiet. Everything is so in a new point. Like stand up. Zip your coat on. Hey, now I'm being really bad. I felt really bad, but I couldn't I couldn't stay longer. I don't know if you like is Meadow soprano Julia, but we know it's all in German. And yeah, well, I mean, I was not expecting that. I wish I could, like, understand what she was saying.

Well, it's it's art music, dude. Yeah, that's it comes with the territory. You know, I have nothing against searchers, talented just there's not my kind of know it's hard for me to get into vocal art, Art, music. Yeah, that's vocal. She looked very into it, though. She looked at, you know, Yeah, she's gives. I remember seeing her before. She's very perform. It's just not my Kathy Snyder company. Yeah, I was happy to go the piano players.

I liked him. I wish. Oh, yeah, he's a blind eyes My teacher when I was there, Peter remodel and he's a total He's a he's a freak. I mean, it's just amazing he was doing, like, the whole head Bob and yeah, hey, does this thing where he like and is like a his head vibrates like intensity Just for a little bit. He's going. It's really awesome. But so you went to that? You're hoping to to go with a girl who's going to meet you there?

Yeah. Have you seen this girl since now, huh? Will you bump into her again? Probably. Yeah. It's okay. Yeah, well, I don't like to put high pressure on things, right, because then it's not weird. All CR and like, you know what's up? Yeah, and there's talk to her, You know? I was I'm not, like, in love with this girl or anything, but I've been feeling like I should ask the girl the date, so I just went for it.

So you've been feeling that's interesting. So we got, like, six minutes left is Okay. Yeah. Okay. So that's interesting. You feel like you should just ask a girl date. Any girl like is that you're just you feel pressure to ask. Any girl going on a date? Just one girl going on a date. So that But that wasn't a date. Then it wasn't a date. It is himself. It's so good to see the music, though. So it's all right. Twenty minutes, twenty minutes.

I don't think I would have stayed in there either. She was there. You said, let's go If you if she was out, probably, like, let's go. But she would've been That's rude. And then you have been, like, Okay, tha fall in the fall, asleep there, you know what'll that? Here's the thing. I think what's better falling asleep for leaving early? We'll do snore. Possibly. Well, have you ever had someone flawlessly very in performance?

I don't know. Yeah. I mean, usually older people fall sleep. Oh, a habit like someone starts snoring a little bit and you're like some old coyotes and whether, you know, play a little louder. But it's acoustic music, you know that. And that's the interesting thing about the concert experience there with more. But it's cool because I like the smaller venue or whatever. When you go see somebody, I I prefer to be packed.

Yeah, you know, no matter what. So if you're going to if you're gonna have a performance and forty people are going to come or whatever, which isn't a town of people. Yeah, put it in a super small room, make it freaking intimate. There's only forty people there. But sometimes you know that, How? These big concerts? Not big, but I was sort of, you know, like that had the large ensemble jazz playing or the orchestra whatever in or or just some percussions, you know, it isn't.

Yeah, it may be at this huge venue in, like, ten percent of the seats are filled, if that or whatever, and there may be a couple other people there, but if you got a couple of thousand seats, you know, it's it's not. And so you just in this huge space, and it's like, sucks that, you know, would be much cooler if it were in Whitmore or there's couple hundred seats in there, a couple of people. This is a pact that we would have been more awesome.

Um, I agree. But at the same time, you know, if you have these big venues, it's not. It's still probably rude to fall asleep in the concert, Whatever. But, you know, you could sit in the back row in Missouri theater, Oh, Jesse Hall and just kind of take a step back, you'll go. And, like, intentionally, Goto falls, right? You know, like I want to go to enjoy the show. So I don't know, though, because maybe you get your best sleep there, take a nice nap.

I reasonably think about this because I'll go these concerts sometimes, you know, because my friend's planning, whatever, Yeah. And, ah, I'll go, and I'll just be real stimulated academically or intellectually or whatever. Now have all these thoughts, and I'd just be writing down stuff just go quietly. And I'm like, that's an awesome idea. And it would just be, like, stimulated my brain just to be in that space listening people.

And so I kind of like the bigger venues, just so I can sit back in the corner and just be like, you know, think about totally irrelevant things, You know, like, sample how samples in a digital world audio our stores. Yeah, numbers. Yeah, it's like, Whoa. Everything's cool. Now, just because I'm watching an orchestra concert and Jessi all, you know, whatever. But anyways, it's interesting music, art, music and venues, as I mean, it's just it's an interesting thing, but, um, but yes.

So you did that and they grilled and followed. But you feel like you just want to go on a date. Yeah, I'm not, like the most really attached to this girl whatsoever. You've known it for law? No, Like a couple weeks. So you saw What the hell do you want the fun to hang out? Yeah, it's fun asking today. It was really No, really is hard. Interesting. So Well, that's that's cool. Do you find it harder or easier now that you go door to door?

Or is it the same as it's always the same? Has always been because door to doors, like on emotional and, you know, like it is because they know it kind of sucks. But I'm just going to keep knocking. You know what? It like a girl said no to me on a date. I'm not gonna be like, whatever. Yeah. Next. Next girl. You know, I'm not just going to knock on the next door. So, like, if you like knocking on one door the entire day, you're hoping you really think they're going to buy solar, But you don't know that I am gonna be.

It's not that that's probably less intense and asking her on a date for me. My heart is nerve back in, right? Yeah. So you do have some investment, Obviously into. Yeah, yeah, but that's just who you are. It's always gonna be that way. Yeah. I mean, yeah. And maybe girls find it sweet or whatever, That you're a little nervous. Yeah, Are so I've been, but I'm not. So someone has told me I'm not going to, like, try to intentionally come off his nervous, though.

Maybe it's Maybe it's good card to play. Probably not. Just try and act natural. Don't go well, Okay, so here's some questions to finish the song. What gives you the most optimism? Optimism? Um oh, man. I wonder if they can hear that? Um, okay, A lot of things make me really optimistic, Um, like the number one thing that gives you the most optimum most optimism. I think small things in life giving those optimism like to seeing, like, that's like, where I really see people like, makes minor changes in their life and toe, like they asked, caring about people Mohr or experiencing the fact that you shouldn't like watching Netflix all the time.

I'll hear like I've heard one of my friends said to me, he's like, Man, this weekend was a lot better than like Net like I normally watching Netflix on a weekend like this. But coming out to the outside and like it's France and outdoors was like, Amazing. It was way better than that. And that, like, makes me just I'm no optimistic about outdoor stuff. And when someone says a comment like that, yeah, yeah, I would like, really changes me.

It's like, Wow, like, makes me step back, you know, cause you got them to go outside. Yeah, I really was a big part of it. Right? So you right you had you made the week in special for them. Basic. Yeah. Examine that. That makes you optimistic? Yeah. Makes me I don't know what it makes me optimistic about, I guess, life and the fact that outdoors are Billy about her experience and I'm doing the right thing, right?

So what's one good thing? A good thing that you've never had that I want and you never once and I never want, but it's a good thing that you've never had and you never won. Ah, a big house. Big house. Yeah. Good. What if you just put solar panels on that Be cool. I just don't want a big house. I want it to be small, but it would it. I heard someone say that I think there's a trend going on in America that we're all getting more floor space and, like all getting farther apart.

Farther apart. What do you mean by that? Just like our relationship. So All right. Right. So we're getting more something in less of the other thing. Yeah, that. Yeah, well, it's like suburbia, though. You know, you grow up in the country. I think it's interesting because coming from the country, um, you know, where everyone had their own forty acres, you know, if not four hundred. Yeah. You know, everyone has forty acres cow, some bar bar, think cows, whatever.

Everyone basically and your neighbor is forty years distance away or whatever. You know, if you're in the middle of forty years in the middle of the four takers or whatever, you know, I'm obviously simplifying here, but yeah, you know, they're not at nearly as close as in suburbia when you have, like, twenty feet between houses are one and the twenty, every twenty, there's a house, Whatever. So you're really close And and and I remember thinking, I'm like, Man, this is going to be so We're living in the city with, um, my neighbors of this close, but in the country, you know, I knew my neighbors, all of my neighbors, and we, you know, their kids went to school and we went to the house and trick or treating and there, and they had him over for dinner.

You know, like, you know, they live a little bit a little bit more farther away than twenty feet. Yeah, you know, And you're even if they lived two thousand feet away, you know, half mile, whatever. Ah, they still might be your neighbors or what. Um, but anyways, my whole point, I guess, was that at least in the country, I felt like you had more distance between you. But you're closer. Yeah. And here in the city, you're a lot closer, but you have more distance away.

I don't know. It's an interesting I think that I don't know. You don't think that the distance matter is just to manage, but the people well, I mean, this inspires some degree, obviously, but, yeah, it's just the world becoming more crowded, and you can't be close to everybody. You know, it's a It's a complex, trying talk to everyone. I see that that's a fun thing, right? Does that well and you go door to door.

So your whole idea of closeness is different or or is evolving or means something a little different now, you know, you probably feel a lot closer anyways to people first. I always think I recognized people. Teo. I'm like if I knocked here before. You don't know that you're good with names. No. Oh, boy, you'll be getting someday. I work on it. I got over something tells me their name. I'm like. My head. I'm like trying to have a conversation, but have the thing and repeat in the back of my head.

Yeah, Cool. So let's see one more question. Okay, But I gotta think of it. R have what's the questions that are normal clothes with? I'm trying to remember another one from it, Um, pressure zone. Oh, yeah. Here's a good one down If your ruler of the world. Well, did you do on your first day? Ah, like that. Um I think environmental issues like the biggest thing that I would want to address. So ruler of the world, I would put I would Ah, I don't know how I would do it.

How would I do this? I would make it so is mandatory that everyone gets fifty percent renewable energy within for, like, ten years or something. So pass him. Executive legislation were like, you don't have a choice. Okay, Get. And then what? And then that kind of move it towards Third World countries, too. So you mean eventually? Yeah, right. Starting First World countries and course make it so they have to do it.

Awesome was been great talking to you, Mason Throwback, here on today on Wednesday here. So thank you very much and have a good rest of your day, man.