Bennito Kelty is a journalism student at MU. His deep intellectual curiosity and genuine interest in other people have made him an intelligent and interesting person. He'll talk to you about anything, anywhere. But beneath this casual guy lies a very serious person.
Recorded on 2016-08-17
Speakers: Joseph Weidinger and Bennito Kelty
All right. Benito Kelty. You're a cool guy. A student here at am you studying journalism? I see you around town at events, and you're always out about working in collecting information. You seem to have real big curiosity for things, and you're proactive. And so I want to explore that here today. The first question is what's the best thing for human beings? What's the best thing for a human being? Probably happiness, Whatever.
They defined his happiness. That's right. The best thing. But it has to be some sort of happiness. You can't touch her. You can't kick. Let's wait. So it's like it's got to be a happiness you feel inside. It can't be happiness for money, drugs. It's gotta be like a Pierre happiness. It's the best thing for human happiness. You love those to take your pick. It's what works best for you, Dr Instinct. You know, you gotta you gotta want something you gotta have a little bit of once.
You gotta have a reason in one. That's why that's why you gotta have the happiness. So, are you saying that Dr is happiness chasing a dream? Yeah, that's happy. Chasing a dream for happiness and chasing a dream is happiness. It's like, I think that's the best. You know, some sort of purpose, Put some purpose in your life, and I think that's the best for you, For any human good. What is your favorite form of information?
My favorite form of information. Do you this? I don't know. You can take up fax really easy. Like you can. You know, somebody just gives you fax like, you know, Africa is a continent south of Europe. It's just straight a fact and, you know, even taken fax all day, and then you can repeat them and looks mind I'm pretty much weave them and make you're on your own thing out of that, um, I guess, you know, as opposed to other kinds of information, which I guess is like wisdom, deeper things.
Sort of like you. You know, I guess the first question, my answer the first question was, was that kind of information? What about kinds of the form that the information comes in like newspaper or the air or TV or Internet? Best kind of the best way to receive information is probably books. What is your your favorite? My favorite ways? Books. I mean, like if if I if I want, like, if I want something abstract, I'll read a fiction Look, someone something about history, fi once, in fact, some science.
I'll read a non fiction book textbook. Best way to receive information for me is a book, not a book. I mean, like, newspapers are good because, you know, in these favours you get fax everyday, you get new facts every day, see how the world's working. That's doing so, but it's books. I mean, like these fairies, they're good use. There was a second, but books and my favorite waiter See you information on and do you consider yourself of?
Voracious. No, never. No. That's how you pronounce it. Reader of racist reader. Yeah. Yeah, I read it time. Like I spent most of my time reading. There's like, really nothing else I'd rather do. If I have an hour open in the day is I'm probably gonna crack open a book and read I mean, like, right now I'm reading four books. I just finished one. So I guess it's just three, but usually at a time. If it's like summer spring break, I'll be reading four books.
When school starts, I'll be reading two books primary three votes this year. I mean, like, I always have a book of and you know, always asked me what I'm reading, and I can tell you two books wondering who he reading now. I just finished a book by Thomas Pension. It's like a name or its clientele. It's called V by Thomas Pension, and that's a non. It's a fictional with fiction. Terrific book. I Love Thomas Pension, by the way.
It's like favorite author Thomas Pension. This guy's this guy's great. He's the real deal. He's like a modern shakes family, and he's he's great. He's like a the gold standard for riders in American than twentieth century twenty first century. It's Thomas pension, Uh, difficult guy to reveal of him. Yeah, Thomas pension. I'm also reading, Huckleberry Finn, My Thomas, My Mark Twain. Um, good book adventure packed.
You know, Nice, Uh, easy read. Important book to read. It's a nice it's a nice book. And then, when I'm reading two nonfiction books, one by David Halberstam called the Fifties about the fifties, the nineteen fifties in America on the other one's a book by Will. During it, he wrote, he wrote like everything about world history and like the history of ideas, I'm reading the very first book, So I'm starting out with like a the start of civilisation, stuff like that.
I think the book's called up our Oriental Heritage. He literally just starts from the beginning. Just start from the beginning, and then it just takes off. It goes, That's what I'm waiting nice good. Why do you think human beings collect or gather information? You know, my instinct is to say that it's just a general curiosity that, like as like a person, you just just your instinct. It's just sort of a natural desire to have some sort of facts about this world, just seek some sort truth that you consort.
You know, ground yourself on sort of some sort of foundation, too. Live your life is just to have facts bracing. I think I think it's not just that I think there's a variety of reasons that you'd want to gather information. People personally often gathered information as sort of like a sort of way of gathering power. I mean, like, I know people who will learn stuff just so they could be smart just so that they can know sit up just so that they can rattle off for me.
People who gather information because it's, you know, help them later on because they want to do something. And they're in their work to, like, you know, there's a job they they want to be like They want to have information about something if they enjoy doing um, But I think the most genuine reason no want to gather information is is an interest is some sort of, like, passionately Dr love of something that's that's sort of triggering your thinking in the world.
I think that that's the most genuine need for gathering. So you two of your books are historical books? Is that passion of yours is knowing that, or is What are you trying to attain from reading those two books? For instance? I want to know what it's like. I mean, like both of the books are more about humans of different times. So, like people living in the fifties, it's all about how people were living when things are being mass manufacturing stuff like, you know, I want it.
I want to know what people were thinking, why they were living that way. You know why we're living now? The civilization book. Same way. It's like, what you see, mostly what I want to know is sort of like I want to have some way to have, like, a reference point or some sort of way to situate myself in history. I'm sort of like, you know, where I want to know where we are in history. I want to know what our our time with our situation looks like from the outside.
What? The context for our life, for our historical period of you know why we're doing some sort of like what the what the shared purpose is what it looks like. If you were to look at our time in a textbook use from now voted Say, we're up. I could sort of when I have that same time for anything about Tom's pension is one of the themes, and his his riding is that you just can't do that. You just can't look it.
You can. You can't really place yourself. You can't really understand or witness their experience the past, your timeline that you're not going to mean by that. Like, you can't tell what time period you're in. You can't tell you. You can't tell what you are relatives, the world. I mean, because we don't know what the outcome of our actions is using our his books. Futuristic, Yeah, they are their love, very historical.
He jumps back and forth with history a lot. He uses science and philosophy a lot. It was like he uses philosophy line. Is this a book that like it? It's experimentally written in sort of way. It's like James Joyce or something here. It's like he's playing with the way that people write books. He's not just, you know, that is not is not a pop book like he's experimenting and developing the way books are written.
Even you nailed it on the head. That's exactly what he's doing the high time. And a lot of people don't like his books because it's very long, confusing dance right there, part so I don't like. But, yeah, he's He's riding in ways that people haven't earned before, and it's difficult to understand, really difficult to get into them. Yeah, it's like a It's a style that's never been used, especially not like it in a mass detail riding.
So it's something new. It's It's a lot like Joyce when he was riding, right? So yeah, it's experiment. Do you like Joyce? Joyce is cool. I mean, I read Dublin and I liked a lot of his stories. He's heavy on symbolism, and symbolism is difficult, too. Get into, because you have to understand the references. I sort of have the eye catching, but with the fact that, like choices, using symbolism to communicate a lot of his main ideas and one central ideas makes a little bit difficult, throws me off.
But Joyce himself is a good rider, is very good at wielding characters. Sentences are terrific. She's a great prose writer. So he Yeah, I enjoyed Dubliners. I started Ulysses and I was getting into it, but I decided there's no way I'm gonna be able to commit to this. So I stopped. But, I mean, like, I enjoy your Yeah. Ulysses is a pretty big commitment. What is your earliest memory? My earliest memory. Jesus Christ.
I would really have to think on that one. Let me think. I remember. It's tough because I remember things that happened early on in my life, but I don't know. I actually remember them. I remember that it happened, but, you know, if you saw it from a picture or someone told you about it, for example, Yeah, I guess really, the main thing is that, like, I can't bring the image of the experience to mind this quick.
So I don't know if it's a memory. It's a fact that I have, you know, I know that you did this, but I can't really remember it. There's one thing that comes to mind is we? When I was living here in Colombia, my parents and in the family, how long ago was that? I must have been, like, four five. So what? Fifteen years ago? And they went on a ride on the trail and they were writing down the trail. And I was quite a cry baby at the time, and I was crying the whole time.
And they put me in their friends. Any cab, you know, the little things that you hang on the back of the bike because you gotta have a trail and they put me in the back of his. So I was crying. I wasn't crying to. My parents was crying too friend. But the friends Greg Bratcher was able Teo to stop my crime by cracking jokes the whole time by taking me on the side and jokes Teo for you right here. And you get me to stop crying and stuff like that.
And I remember I called him the of a man. I don't know why, but maybe because he liked hos may because of the way he laughed. But I know that I called him up, man. He remembers. I don't really remember. I remember that. So when you lived here in Colombia, that's fitting. I like its story about Katie. Well, here we are, Shakespeare's of his store place in itself, the the new Shakespeare's. Actually, this is the first interview they have done with new Shakespeare's.
They've always been that tempts you, but so that's cool. But I didn't. You lived in Colombia. From what period of your life? Ninety six is two thousand won. So until I was five, I mean, I was going to summer in nineteen ninety six, so I was really probably for about a time. And then you moved to Colorado, where I grew up twelve years. Just about living there, huh? No, fourteen years ago. A girl thing. And it's It's a lot of time.
Yeah, fourteen years ago, I thought, is shorter. Most of your member your parts of most of your memory life. What's that classified us? From the time you can remember, will you know, most of my life I've lived in Colorado. Most of most of what I have in mind is from Colorado. But I do remember Colombia mean my earliest memories. I'm probably gonna come from Missouri Columbia dessert because, you know, that's great.
That's where I was the youngest s. Oh, who were your earliest role models within your immediate family? And how did they specifically influence or affect you earliest role models? I remember my brother was probably a bit of a role model. He was a really good sport player, sort of a leader. But I never took after gambling goes in every big sports. Remember I admired him, but I never took after. Um, my dad was probably somewhat of a role model I brought.
Took after him a little bit more because I was I was a little bit more. I tried to be funnier. Blighter a bit more social. My dad's quite a social person. So it really took after him a little bit more. Maybe I took after my sister a little bit, I guess. I guess maybe maybe the whole family was influential, but I probably took most after my father or my sister a little bit for myself. Probably mostly my father, But but I don't know if I'd call him a role model.
That's great. Top, right. Well, do you have any role models outside of your immediate family? I have role models, historical figures, and they're very much role model for me. I mean, like, when I was who comes at the top of list, it's probably Che Guevara. I mean, like what? He's the change. You know, the revolutionary. You started the Cuban revolution, and then he tried to go Teo, Teo, South South America and start a revolution.
And he was He was a big revolution, aided in the sixties. He pretty much changed the landscape of Latin America. Especially politically. Definitely socially. Changed. Changed. I mean, everything with twenty centuries. Hm. It was a Marxists spread Communism throughout Latin America. That's probably him, because, I mean, he was a very well rounded person. I mean, he was a doctor and is used. Then he goes up to the, uh I guess, like, oh, I guess I lied it.
Yes, a guerrilla war leader, a political activists, everything like that. More than anything, he's just like a large historical figure throughout Latin America. So when I was going through high school, I sort of admired him. But, I mean, I'm not in medical school or anything, so it's It's pretty much a sign that he wasn't entirely that influential, but all we always think of him. I always think of him as sort of like a good Latin role model because you are some Latin half Latin, right?
Because I am glad. It's kind of funny that because in the U. S, he's considered a murderer, I mean, like singing to see a killer. Killer manner. I mean, they didn't kill him. They help the Bolivian army kill him. But, you know, they didn't like him, right? I mean, he's a hero to me. Nails. They also didn't like on trivia. He's also here to me as well. Millions upon millions about those guys beneath their bodies.
Of course I'm named. Do you know all these people from reading books? Another more from hearing Latin Americans talk about, right, Because I don't know hardly any of those names, for example. And, you know, maybe I read them once in a history book when I was in high school and uses and stick. So you're talking to people that you're talking to or latin because you can obviously speak Spanish because you come from the family a door, um, language speaking household.
And where did you encounter these people that would be talking about these historic figures out. Definitely threw my family talking about them. I mean, they're legends, probably among any any Latin American family. Maybe not check. Maybe in Cuba. Che is pretty big, but I don't know about Shane. When my family always talked about, my dad actually talked about a lot But he was into him pretty much on his own accord.
It wasn't because anybody had ever told him about it. He had not grown up watching him when anything like that, But but later, he Hey, he didn't learn a lot about Shay, but like, a million is about the imponderable. My mom used to tell me about them all the time. And really, it's like these air. The here is a Mexico. These are the historical here is next. In my mom's like hometown. They have statues of millions apart every way.
And so, I mean, these guys were like the heroes of Mexico. Everybody has been right beneath. The heart is on, like with twenty peso bill. I mean, he's easy, and I mean, I was named after two. Really? Right? Since so I'm I'm pretty. My mom always told me about these Mexican here, right? And is your mom. Does she know all this Because she grew up there during the time Or do Because she is. She's into this historical thing as you are, for example.
Yeah. She grew up after their that existed. I mean, her. Her grandfather grew up during their time. Um But by the time when she was growing up in Mexico, I mean, she heard about them every day. Probably in school, probably through a family. I mean, you know, like I said, they're statues of them write like people talk about Thomas Jefferson. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah, I mean, it's exact same thing. The exact same where we talk about our president, they talk about these generals, these war leaders who brought independence to Mexico revolution in Mexico.
I mean, so they I mean, that's rather write about him? I don't know. But I mean, if anything, everybody knows them. Like right? Tongue in tails. Kind of a roundabout. Right. Cool. Were you raised a particular religion? And if so, are you still practicing? Okay. So, yeah, This is the question I was raised under the influence of my mom's Roman Catholic cracked. That's what I would've guessed. Okay, right, Mom's Roman calving when doubt is not religious.
Although his parents were sort of religious, they went to Rie with schools. But But my dad is not really just my sister's religious. My brother's not religious, but I am not exactly religious. Do not practise. What does your mom still religious Islam is a religion smell, so religion is nothing. And I mean, I also wear a rosary, so I mean so it's sort of I am seller religious, but it but it the rosary itself exists more more because of family.
It's like, you know, remind. It was given to you from a very personal way. Right? Right. Was given to me by my sister after she visited the Church of Saint Beneath. It's a shoe, So she gave it to me suddenly. So I kept it on for use. And so? So it has great importance to me about religion. I mean, I mean, like, I cross myself when I like and make the sign of the charge. Right. And I mean, I've been to church a few times.
I don't pray the I mean, we were baptized Catholic lap times where you didn't receive your first communion and interesting. My first confirmation probably do your confirmation. So I'm not that religious. So I mean, I'm not religious, but I was brought up brightly, religiously was brought up under bridges. You brought up your Mexican round, Captain Hollis Bray. A lot of Mexicans are Roman Catholic. Not they were love Cath exam, for example.
United States, obviously. But if I had me some from from from Mexico and their religious person needs, it's easy to assume that they're Catholic and get it right, you know? Yeah, there's there's a large population, but and it's funny because the women in your family are really just put your men in or not. Do you think there's something to be said for that? Because that's a turn that I also notice just in general medicine?
Yeah. I don't know exactly what the relation is. Maybe manages more worldly than women on women are more spiritually. That wouldn't surprise me if somebody told me that I go on board with it. Oh, but I couldn't explain it to you. Women arrived is more in touch with with something spiritual on them. Men aren't No, but in Mexico. Yeah, I guess that trend continues. Men probably don't go to church more frequently.
Menu Probably. I have far more vices than women in Mexico. On women, women are the ones you usually see praying things like that. Please. I mean, I couldn't say the cause, but that's definitely a trend. Um, the funny thing about Catholicism in Mexico, it is more or less the separate point with the funny thing about Catholicism. Mexico's not Catholicism's anywhere else it is on. It's pretty much a traditional polytheistic religion.
I mean, in Mexico they do not pray to God. And I mean, they prayed it. Jesus, more or less. Jesus, Cristo, I guess. You know, they they sort of identify him as, like the, you know, the patron saint of all saints. But in Mexico, each township has its own saint has its own person on a praise to sort of the same way that Indian Native American religions have their own God. Right? That's interesting, right? So it doesn't look like normal Catholicism.
Um But it is Catholicism's, just with a strong, strong indigenous influence that it looks different. The altars look a little bit similar if you look at Eastern Catholicism as an Eastern European Catholicism's. It looks a little bit similar as fathers, all trees and isles. But I think the prayers a little bit different. The celebrations have different. It isn't. It doesn't look like your traditional Catholicism's.
I mean, they don't recognize the pope is much that's for interesting, better, more local, you know, with local hero, the patron saying are whatever the church's name, that or something, or, yeah, far more communal right dancer. But be a different flavor. Catholicism. That's interesting, period. All right, Well, switching gears. What On what occasion do you like? Okay, maybe that's not too much of a kid. I used to lie a lot, but I'm probably tone down my line.
The best occasion, Ally is probably if, like, I'm under pressure to say something interesting. I guess it would probably be the best way. You know, if you need somebody's attention, usually gotta come off the line. So usually easy to say, It's easy. You see really easier for me to stay alive, I say, I don't know. So So I mean usually that's whenever I was telling a story with exaggerated live. But I mean that's, you know the situation, lying to get out of trouble.
I don't do that anymore as much. Why you don't need to. You said this a few times before you start reporting, are there? There seems to be a difference between the way you were and what you are now in terms of the lifestyle and, like you say now, just lying less. Was there a certain transition or a certain moment in your life where you change? Well, here's the thing for me. There's a clear transition. There is a clear moment, an event that I did that Let's start the transition.
I was taking acid hates that mean that because it's like, you know, acid and you know, that's been like pretty much the key point for like any sort of personal transition when I'm mad, but it's clearly been the transition. I mean, I mean, when I took acid for the first time, it was how many years ago, I would say a year ago, in like, three months, like fifteen months ago. Chicken. So you just graduated high school Last I had just graduated high school and took out.
Yeah, I was at a tame Impala concert, and it took some acid. It's terrific, but I remember the next day that that I was like a completely different person like Day one, Just like really different person. Like the experience was just profound. I mean, like you, the same way childbirth would change a woman's life or, like a near death experience, change someone's life. I mean, I was just completely because I talked to a lot of people, takes all sorts of drugs.
And but they usually like one person was, for example, describing specifically asked me today, and he was saying, It's like, Here's how it works. You know, at eighteen minutes in you think you've figured out the whole world and in the eighteen and a half minutes and canning room what you're thinking about and then, you know, and then they would be this kind of stuff. But the basic summer it want for that I got was, is that, you know, even during.
But even after like it all goes away, I don't know, had it all figured out there for a second, but I can't remember anything anymore or something like that. But you're saying that afterwards was the beginning of of something totally different, and they're effect. Are there some permanent change? All right. It was the permanent change, though. I mean, it was a It was like an intimate, interned, instinctive change.
It was not like a change of like, oh, I need to start doing this different wasn't like something that I could really grasp her right down to tell myself to do differently. If it was a change of line, it was like something I hate saying it was like something spiritually or is like something deep, you know, And that got you to lie list like, is that we're coming back to that. I mean, yeah, it's part of it.
It wasn't like that What I was trying to do less. It'sjust what there's part of what changed. It was like one of person, right? One of the many things a person I was trying to be, which was probably a more controlled person. They're probably more, I don't know, somebody who had applied more purpose or meaning to their life. It probably went along with that. And so I decided to lie less. Probably probably probably as a part of honesty, but probably also because you can usually control things more if you're not lie, if you have more grass, but the truth of the situation.
So I mean, I lie. I lie. I lie. I still lie. I mean, I lost strategically. Now I don't lie like, you know, habitually are a bit true. Chronically chronic line. Yeah, that's all gone this funny. There's should be a bumper sticker that's like LSD fixed. My chronic line are something like that. People wouldn't buy it. You would. And you wouldn't believe me, Tio. I mean, most people I just feel honestly, when you didn't believe that LSD was such a big change for me, right?
Maybe the exception being younger people, but even a lot of them are a little bit doubtful. Oh, but it was You quiets clue. Cool. How do you deal with stress? Man. The question is, do idea of stress? It's tough. That's a kid to get. Yeah, um, when I'm stressed, it's tough for me to identify with stress, really is because I mean, you feel a lot of things if I feel pressure than it, pretty much trying, trying apply myself to doing something like if if I feel anxious, I'll usually try and do something, I'll try and get things done.
I don't I don't like sitting still or like not doing anything, sort of like doing something that I feel has some sort of value to something. And I want to do later to something that I feel accomplishment. So, like a, you know, usually I want to clean my room. They're all wanna right there. All wantto do homework or read uh, in the longer. And I mean, those don't actually have any great value, but it's still for some reason, sort of sort of makes me feel like I'm doing something.
So are were you saying in part, though that and you answered that basically in. Like I said before then, you know, you don't have to answer questions specifically, but is that getting back to the words trust like it doesn't have. Like it usually means stress is catch all war. That usually means, well, lank anxiety or some other feelings or emotions that compare. Described like stressing itself, may not have really specific like love.
I always think when people were like, Oh, I love that it's like no, that they're experiencing joy or something not love or, you know, but and there's like love means like ten different words and take your pick. But it doesn't necessarily mean once was everything unless you specify. I bet that's just my thought. But maybe stresses. Like when those words, too, where it's just kind of like a general. A word to describe.
Yeah, variety of specific. Yeah, that's true. When you say stress, there's really no one thing that I can pin down to be like that stress and those have a deal with it. There's a lot of things that I think that stress. I get anxious a lot. I don't know that stress. You think, Yeah, that's dress. But I don't know. I deal with that separately there, and that's that's usually not something that I would say that I would equate with stress.
It's just sort of a feeling that sort of comes and goes and counseling that ideal if it's just something that I have to pass and get over it. But I guess you could say look stressed. I mean, you used to make the argument, you know, if that's just been there, there are many other things that stresses Well, how do you do with anxiety besides, like you, it basically through what you said to reading or through clean your room or something like that?
Just doing tasks and getting stuff done. But like, how do I deal with anxiety? Anxiety I usually do is probably three like, inner monologue. Just telling myself what's going on like that. I'm alright, or things like that. Oh, are pretty much doing thing you see, are sort of trying to control things, not doing things. Like I said, like task. It's sort of like sort of trying to take things, get things moving, right?
Yes, it's the way to say, Yeah, but that's the idea. Good. What first attracted you to pursue journalism, and I think and I wrote this question like that, but now I'm starting to think after having talk to you really an hour now, or thirty minutes when the tapes, when really, I guess. But you seem almost equally interested in creative writing or English like you're staying journalism, but you seem to have equal interest in variety and science fiction.
Yeah, eso What first attracted pursue journalism as opposed to those is probably a reef languished. Well, the thing is, I'm more into writing on the writer is the thing, and journalism is like a vocational style of writing. I mean, like, I could go to college for creative writing, but I don't think you would actually sort of put me in any sort of position to get a job. That's right, it's the practicality.
It's like, Yeah, okay, nationality, right? There's a job that follows you. I'm practicing something that later become a job. Nothing said. I don't exactly when the work was like a journalist and, like, you know, a great big news room. I just sort of want to have the skills to be ableto Riley work from newspaper. But writing is like the general interest that's that's where my heart is. And really, it's not just riding its language, its sort of like I love.
I love working with grammar. I love working with Spanish. I mean, I also I also learned languages all the time. Are you on equal? Is your English because you're Spanish in vice versa Mine. Now, I don't think my Spanish is quite where my English is. Did you study Spanish? Formally study stands firmly. I try to teach it. I offer free lessons to people. Anybody learning interesting. Why do you do that? So I can practice teaching in.
So I become familiar with the language. If I ever pursue graduate degree would be in Spanish. Just because you know it's the language is that I'm really going after. I mean, journalism is just just sort of quick storytelling I'm interested in. But Spanish is like, so language. It's pretty abstract. Get concrete ordered. So I love working with that. And I mean, if I ever and also I want to move to Mexico like that's what's the grand plan is?
Get out of college and moved to Mexico indefinitely. Listen, well, you really don't want to live here. Yeah, that would be a fair statement, but it would probably be better to say, I really want a exit, right? I mean, I have, you know, there's some things I have against United States, but it's not enough for me to be like I need to get the hell out of here, right? Otherwise, I would have been gone a while ago.
It's I mean, I'm here long enough to want to stay three or four more years and then leave. Fight it. I mean, yeah, I mean, it's not entirely wrong to say I want to get out of here. It's just that's not exactly what I mean, right? The main point is that you old Mexico, anyone with this fake Spanish Spanish sort of get in this game because you always had you had trips to Mexico, but you've never look for extended periods of time.
I've been exposed to the values and the culture of Mexico my entire life. And they're they're pretty easy to distinguish. Is your dad busy? Speak Spanish. Speak Spanish fluently. Speak Spanish like as well as you. Better than I can. Really? Probably. He learned it later in life. He led. He lived in Mexico. He lend it? Probably in his twenties. Do you know what? That's impressive, right? And he's like a Spanish girl, Mary.
And he knows Spanish like he knows me because that was spoken on household exclusively. Or does it just go back and forth? It goes back. Was it Depends who I'm speaking to. I mean, I tried, never speaks English. Never speak to my assistant saying your dad is Italian. You say I Irish. So he's Irish. But you only speak to MySpace. That's funny. No, actually, I never speak only speak German English. OK, never mind that I misunderstood that.
That makes more sense, Right? I speak to my mom and stay right on my brother's. Just my brother and sister. Finally speaking English. So most household English in the moment. Span. Catch it. Okay. Yeah. Um well, so you want to live in Mexico as opposed United States to have problems with living night states, but not enough that that would cause you to leave just on. So unless you absolutely love Mexico as well.
And that's what pushed you over the edge of wanting to live. There were five years from now. That was another question. Like where do you see yourself in twenty, thirty years or something like this in Mexico as a rider, I mean, like this. If I'm in Mexico, I'm living there as a writer, writing, riding like that's the thing I'm writing writing for Variety riding for riding for already the magazine. Oh, for I don't I don't know about that of writing, writing a variety of things.
Writing of Ryan. Okay, um, you know, essays, articles, things like that. Of course. I really want to be a fiction writer. Novelist. I mean, like, if I'm in Mexico, I'm riding novels, fiction, spending my whole time writing that editing that, trying to get it out doesn't get published. So be it. I mean, another thing is like, I mean, you sort of have to think about making money. They're on. But I don't really care if I don't make money on the riding.
The whole point is to go to next one, right? In Mexico is cheap. I think so. You could live in Mexico. I could live in Mexico indefinitely with God knows how much money, right? But, I mean, you know, if you were living in Mexico, working to Mexico and getting Mexican money, it would all be relative to Mexico's economy. Like someone explain this to me once already clicked for me. If years ago are like, you know, if dollars very strong against another country's currency and you move there with a bunch of money.
Yeah, sure, Then you can. You know, you can have all the benefit, but if you're working there and living there, you're you're earning a salary that is relatively fat. United States quote unquote whatever compared to the United States. But but in terms of Mexico, it's all relatively good or the same. It's like if you work as a for example, software engineer in Mexico and you will earn less than you would in United States.
Maybe I'm just kind of making this up What you would still probably be. You're super. I'll be able to afford a nice place in Mexico with that software developer salary in a nice, nice lifestyle as you in the United States gets all relative, right. And the plan is actually to make money in the United States and then move Mexico, live off that money and make money Mexico. And of course, you know, if I make money in Mexico.
I don't know how I would like. I wouldn't use that as like my my don't say not uses my primary income. I mean, the thing is to live there initially off of the money that I'm making states and then go to Mexico, make money in Mexico. I'm not trying to, like, make a lot of money in Mexico. I'm just trying to live in Mexico, right? So to sustain myself, right, like it's not I don't I don't even wanna Nice house.
If I get a soda, get by to live and eat in Mexico, right? I'm fine, right? It's perfectly fine. So it does mean, like I'll have money for the United States that I bring in Mexico, but it's not even important that night. But I really have money. It's just like if a cz long as I have a way of living what's one thing that you don't like about journalism, either the culture of professional journalism or setting journalism here.
Like your friend must be as close as possible, right? Journalism's filled with quite a few problems. I like it because it's it's it's almost It's sort of both scientific and artistic. I mean, you can You can bring your own thinking into a name, you Khun, and there's an objective process is to follow. The problem with it is that I think a lot of journalism kids are are either very heavy handed in their ego.
They really they really think that they're here to be like a a big deal. The journalism school does like posts, you know, being the best journalism school, the first gentleman really best. But you know, these people, a lot of my students, they want to be. New York Times is usually the one where they go to. They want to be on NBC. They want to be, you know, they want to have like, their name, professionally red.
They want big deal Anderson Cooper style stuff, right? And those people are difficult to deal with, especially when you have to work with another thing. Is that because they're like that, there's really, honestly not a lot of room for people to sort of get in and get into journalism. I mean, no matter how you know, there are a lot of people who are committed and bring something to journalism, but they don't.
They're not going to really find an easy entrance in with students who have been competing for this like that. So close it off. What that does is it makes journalism very narrow minded. Field truism shouldn't be like that really be like a very open minded people having their own ideas of what the voice in which set not like that. People have a very near idea first off, how to write, which is a P style, and I think that's kind of unfortunate.
But signal what she said. We don't want the same things. I think everybody is always telling me in journalism's dying. Why are you doing this? It's great. That's what I'm doing. And he's dying. It was dying. They're going to redo it. I mean, right in journalism, I should be the same. Think their basic there people that the students here are doing a really good job, like keeping the status cool or journalism headed, and and they're They're saturating that in sort of being by being at the top of their class and but you would like to see a little more.
There are a lot more playing without journalism, how stories are told or or how things were written or what gets used to talk about. Yeah, but it's it's hard. It's harder to do because there are already so many people who are quote unquote, doing what the professor once and doing it. The quote unquote right away, I don't know. I didn't even sort of knocked professor professors and pretty open minded. And they know they were very aware the fact that you should welcome ideas sort of an open field.
As long as you have hard workers, they're fine. Professors air, not problems. Clearly stupid. Look, journalism's dead and five realism, really? Maybe a little bit. Well, is dead mean? You wouldn't mean just old former journalist like people are going to go and type in cnn dot com and there's gonna be like nothing. No Yeah, right look the A P offices AP AP Foreign corresponds will probably recede. I mean, you'll probably have a lot less AP.
What do you mean with? It wasn't like that. So save us. A lot of a lot of the old journalism institute will be will be dead like could net like like whatever route. Rupert Murdoch. Well, he owns Fox so that Ryan won't be there. Everything like, I mean, like old tribunes. I mean, a P is the one that I'm really thinking of. It'll probably be gone, but, like, journalism is like your dad and your mom and, you know, all our older relatives recognise it where there's where there's a local newspaper and there's a paper you could pick up, right?
I think that's Scott, right? As a good thing way became, came. Keep that same thing around for ever, Right? We got some pretty bad things that I've got a lot of. Good. Look, if it's going to be dead, we have to change, right? So, I mean, I think I think there should be just a radically different body of students taking interest in journalism. Unfortunately, it's very, very difficult to invite anybody. You know, I feel pretty close, right?
Right. And look, I think I think you're a journalist. Just as much a CZ. I mean, you're interviewing me right now. You have this technology, you could publish this interview, Put it on. Soundcloud makes you just as much as anybody else, right? But, I mean, it's just like it was never like this before. Yeah, Why? Why? I see. You mean for someone to kind of guerrilla way produce something, you know, to produce something as a relative.
Hi, Polly. I mean, the sound quality or x y Z, you know, a little bit to do by all that by theirself and just and just make something right that was hard to do before come, is what you're saying. What I'm also saying is that it be difficult for you to publish this right forehand is very restricted about publishing do well, that I was going to ask you about that, actually, when you're writing or when you're talking about writing books because, you know, I say music comes in.
So I always know, or I see that how you know you in pretty much everyone knows probably how the music industry has changed over the last couple decades with as soon as the Internet came out. And I was wondering if and of course, the story is that is that records Internet makes all everything free, basically as it should, you know, it's it's a dramatic change in technology, and that's it's an inevitable transition.
But how does that affect or has something similar happened into the world of books? Or people just still writing books and trying to get a publisher to publish the book? And you know it's such a yeah old publishing that's also dead. It's probably the thing is that it's not as a parent how that will be provided. I mean, books aren't dead. I mean, maybe the form is going to change a lot. Longhand, storytelling.
I either novel is not dead. So if a book Transit, you know a book goes from being primarily, you know, a former world of a substance that you could pick up and open it up. I'm the words Escape me to being on a computer or a tablet or whatever. Um, but one that is, that makes it. It's sort of more prone to people stealing the book, for example, Or is it? Does that world deal with that same problem? As much as you know, music, our audio world in general, like digital pirating on me like you mean, like, the way that people could just sort of pirate music?
And now I really have to go through a few CDs and right have to, you know, they could be that big a pirate, maybe. I don't know. Probably you download a pdf. I definitely don't you know, my share, I mean, always found it a lot harder to find, You know, some pdf of some eighty year old book that's probably out of, right, Right. Anyway, uh, they're much harder to find, and you can't you two. You know, whereas you can, You do any song, basically and listen to free.
Obviously, the thing is, I don't really see any any problem with that. I mean, like a long as the book is, how being residents are good, right? So you're confident that that will still exist? A tradition of some physical informer. Old publishing also is kind of a little bit long. You mean, Then you get cereal novelist when you get, like, big hand wishing, you know, and you get publishers who were like we'll put you on a contract, you got to write this many books in five years, then you get people who just get people like Dean Koons and James Patterson not say they're horrible.
But clearly some of their books are written not for any sort of life stylistic achievement. It's I had to do so I think I think you sort of lose, lose big poetry's paying off is like that. That's good. And I think you can really see something good with it. The new style of publishing people being able to put their own stuff out there. So I mean, like, yeah, ideas. I don't think you'll see something you probably already do.
You see something similar as you do in music. Like in music, you already see pirating music and movies. You see pirating books. I mean, you can just Google. It hardly be fired in its first. Somebody copy the pdf and put it on whether or not that changes anything, whether or not that's a problem. I don't think it's a problem. But whether or not that's really going to change much, I don't think so. I think so.
The influence of longing and storytelling is pretty strong to be a little bit. Want to change that. So, yeah, music movies, they're always interesting eso what qualities must a journalist bring to their work regardless of the era? Medium or technology? A journalist is a bum with style journalist. This is a bum with class. That's like way. Say that again. A journalist is a bum with class or a journalist is a bum with style.
Okay, this is the great mistake of journalism student. They walk in with too much style. I mean, come on, we're just civilians with No, you just have to go in and sort of be brave, Get a story. Just haven't high for telling what's going on. I mean, you just gotta be You just got to be able to talk to people. You gotta have the balls to call yourself a journalist too, which maybe doesn't require too much balls.
Be easy. Just say was. Depends on how easy it is to lie. You got going. You got Tio, You got a damn good at lying. I didn't lie at the right time. Don't line. You're riding and I don't get it. Trouble you got You know a lot. Yeah, You just had to be able to talk. I mean, I think honestly, Ah, Homeless man would be the best journalist because he can. Krystle, he has Probably. If you wanted to make money, he probably has the initiative.
You're sort of with story together. You've got to be quick. You gotta know where to find stories. You got it. You got it. I know how to bring yourself to that story. You've got to know what angle to look at it. You got it. You kind of have to have equipment. I mean, even get by without a camera. But it's nice to have pictures on when you have to know how to tell a story, you have to be able to write it down.
You got to be able to write down quick, and you got to be able to just willing you're also to be willing to get no attention to it is all. You have to be willing to do many stories and being ignored and being going. Yeah, just sort of it's patients, hardwork. Bravery. I mean, it's it's you've got to be a bone with class. You gotta you gotta be able to talk to people. Teo, you gotta be an entertaining. Is that Is that something they say in the journalism school like about you.
Is that you? That's me. Do you know how many people get scared? They heard that. You know, they're going to college to be a bum, right? People in journalism school, they want everybody because they want to be superstars. They want to be superstars. They want to be Anderson Cooper. Nobody's ever said that, But I guarantee you that's probably thought of most Well, people want to be mean. I pretty much everyone wants to be admired or respected and and people like Anderson Cooper probably the most admired in terms of, So look, yeah, I'm not saying I don't wanna be admired respect.
Look, you don't have to be that to be admired, respected. They want to be, you know, top notch, right? They want to be like bosses. They want to be money makers. They want to be, you know, they wouldn't have any. You could be admired, respected a local journalists, just sort of any price. You don't have to be, you know, big TV kind of guy. But I think that's what most people think. That really you know, the only way to get it done.
This to make a career. I don't even. I think Jamie should be willing to say that they're not going to be a journalist for the entire career. It's it should be. I think it's good to give your heart to it. It's not good to give yourself up to it. I mean, people, people don't take it too seriously, but take themselves too seriously. I haven't a journalist just has to be somebody who who's admiring their art, somebody who's who's really knows what they somebody who who confined, respect and just sort of knowing they work hard, not having to know that they're getting published with the New York right.
It comes in smaller amounts that's did you buy that? That's the way I I want to be admired or respected. But I don't have to be published in your times to know that my respect as long as I could get stories out. And if I could help somebody, I mean, like, if I could, you know, maybe voice to somebody who really needs it to bring attention to something that's actually important. I think that a pretty good sign that right, actually, doing I would like that.
That's another question I have what guys, your decision making in terms of like what to cover or who talked to study. Is it all a gut feeling right now? Yeah, it's pretty much a feeling. It's very much, you know, if there's a story, you go get it. I mean, like, right now, it's just I mean, if there's a story on, like with community bullets and board that looks like it's coming up in the next few days and my schedules opens.
Go, dude, I mean, it doesn't matter if it's interesting, just go do it. You need a story and signing that. That's cream If it drives me. I mean, as long as it's not something as long As long as I can do it, get to it as long as my schedules open. Yeah, that's that's very much, don't you think? Right now, I don't have standards covered. Pick it up. Go get it right. That's it. Good. What is today's most important UN reported story today is most important under forty story.
There's a lot of there's a lot of reporting stories that probably huge, um I've talked to Tio. I've run into a few people who have suggested that there's there's some really big stuff going on that if I were to try and break it, I'll probably get trouble. There is someone that I've talked you that says that days lead in the trees because we used to drive gasoline. We drive cars that run on gasoline that was lead based.
So when you exhaust lead based gas, the trees absorb it on, so the trees have leading them. So when you cut down trees, he released let in the air so houses that are built around old trees. Anything that uses wood is lead based, and so it's dangerous and it's not good. That makes sense chemically. I mean, you know, you don't have to take much of a chemistry class to figure out. Yeah, trees do take in the oxygen around them.
It has wedding. It is going to lead in the tree bike bond. I mean, there's proof for that, but the thing and you know, if our cover that would be huge, I mean, the has to come in and do something about that. Any of any company that's cutting down trees has to stop like there's probably liabilities that have to be paid lots of money. That has to be. That would be a huge story. I can't cover that too big, and it's like their chances are that it's true and I could get in trouble with cos they can shut you down to see you before you actually published even a lick of truth to link them homes.
I think that I think it's something that's taking my mind. There's probably a lot of implications of a lot of the technology that we use. Another thing that's really be paid attention to is Colorado's westward movement. A lot of our money is going west. I don't see a lot of attention paid to that which is really unfortunate. Denver lately has been getting big and the city has been getting bigger. So you know people who are coming there.
But the money that's going into Denver is not being returned to the town because the people receiving the money do not live in the town. So it's sort of like everybody's coming to Denver natives who lived there before. Not like the Native Americans like. I mean, like the natives like me. You know, my friends, right? Go there. People would just move in a pre much dumping there, the money into the town. It's like a black hole, and it's just going way.
We're not getting a money. Our rent and our housing is going up. So all these people are going to Denver speaking the city for its making, the people for And we're in everyone. All the rich food we're going that's a rich people who don't live. There are, Yeah, who are making their money in Denver. Don't live in Denver, right? So it's really frustrating. I don't think it's any attention. I probably won't get any attention till Denver.
He's just like crippling, right? It's today. Have they come up with other reasons why that might be happening? You know, go Denver's game for because insert other reasons. That's not it's well, here's the thing is because den very on certain values not, I mean, look, because it appears to be getting there, getting his bitch bigger and richer, because more people with money are going there from from news area whenever.
And so it appears that people are going to have money for the people who have been there by losing. So it's difficult to detect on a surface level. We're doing just fine, right? So you can attribute. If somebody were to realize that we're getting for I don't know what it would probably go to, maybe it would be attributed to job loss. We're not losing my job. There's actually a lot of laws in place in Colorado where you have to have resided there for a number of years before you could get a job.
Sorry. I mean, I can't imagine what else you'd blame it on. That's that's what's going on good thing I'm getting out of there, but it's really sands leave that place. But that's that's a Goodun report story. If I ever go back today would be the first story about right. Does your brother and sister do? They live in Babel's living? Then we're different parts of Denver. My sister lives in a broth. Er my brother actually lives in Bloomfield, closer to Boulder, so he doesn't actually mean right now.
He doesn't get guess. He's moving blue. It's relatively close. Anyone? It's pretty close. It's like units both in Colorado. So it's close, right? It's a bit way I imagine it would take close to an hour to drive into Denver would take. I think us about, like, thirty minutes to drive into Denver from where I live in our Yeah, I mean, we live in Denver. I mean, you could we could tell somebody from Denver where we're from, and they go.
Yeah, you're right. I I used to go to the city on weekends because it was just a light rail right away, saying, I mean, I'm from Denver Freeman and then they're from Denver to They don't know it just as well, not better than rail, right? What isn't real, right? The light right in Missouri? No, I mean, I'm just like you. Yeah, so we're definitely at a time. So we should wrap this up, so I'll just ask a few quick, more questions.
Yeah. Okay. Um, So if you're a ruler of the world, what would you do on your first day? Try to keep the answers to these. Shorter are, like, thirty seconds to us. Shorter. Damn. Yeah, Stars allow it. I would make everybody wear a T shirt with my face on it. Good. How do you find peace of mind? Um, peace of mind. I, uh I smoked some weed. Yeah, that's right. The easiest way to find peace is good. If a publisher was to release your autobiography, come off the top of your head, What would the title be?
Uh uh right. Damn. How about they sent the glue in the binding? What smell is this? It smells like er Smells like limes and salt. That's what the title would also be. Smells like lines is lovely. Smells like limes. Insult the new. The new rock anthem of the show this century. It was that she was building Your Honor. Where would it be displayed in what would it be made of? It would be in Denver and it would be made of pickles.
We could tell me something good that you've never had and you never want. Harrowing. Good. I want lots of money. Lots and lots of money, OK? What? What's the healthiest cultural shift you see developing today we'll end with this one healthiest culture shift in the United States or in the whole world. The healthiest cultural shift in the whole world is the sort of backwards development of humans. Instead of moving forward with technology, we appear to be moving backwards towards like, agrarian lifestyle habits, which is terrific.
Since we were like, you know, we stopped thinking technologies, everything. Now we think the earth is everything. That's something that hasn't been the idea of humans for a long time. So that's a very good cultural shift is instead of four. And March. We're trying sort of a changing direction, which is very good with his last four in mind flutters to World War two with fat. So I mean, that's good. And it led us here to global warming.
So I mean, it looks like way. No, we don't have to go forward to sort of continue our existence. Right? So that's that's a bet. Good. Awesome. Well, Benito Kelty thinks poor. Thank your hands are cold. Yeah, they are. Thank you for the interview. So how about a cold hands? It's cold in Shakespeare. It is not in the kitchen. No, they're trying to get it fixed. But for the past two weeks has been since we open has been, like, eighty over eighty degrees in the kitchen.
Eighty nine degrees in this so hot. Especially when you're working your butt off. Yeah, I digress. Thanks, man. Step outside.